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Old 12-18-2022, 09:24 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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So the government will supervise illegal drug use so these druggies don't die.



Only in America.....
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Old 12-18-2022, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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You can blame pharma for getting them hooked on oxy and lying about how addictive it was. Doctors prescribed them like candy for any pain you had. So now we have addicts who didn’t ask for this. Fentanyl wouldn’t even be an issue if we didn’t have this opioid addiction



And for how many years now have Doctors been clamping down on handing out those drugs to patients? I think I heard that CVS is going to be paying dump trucks full of money for their part in the opioid epidemic. They only filled prescriptions. They didn't push the stuff.



It all comes down to the individual. I get it that some people can be hooked after one dose but instead of giving in they have a choice to stop and not end up on the street and a ugly burden to society. I just do not think there is not much we can do to save these hopeless addicts. I have experience with alcoholics and it is a terrible thing for all involved.

I agree with some other posters here. There is no hope for these lost people and they should be rounded up and sent to a facility to either die or detox.

The problem in America is there are too many people that wake up everyday and just live for their next fix. I think we should give it to them and then don't give them Narcan. The life that we would be saving are the lives of their loved ones that are watching the wasting away of their family member and friend.



Giving the addicts a safe place to shoot up is not the long term answer to this crisis.
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Old 12-18-2022, 12:51 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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You can blame pharma for getting them hooked on oxy and lying about how addictive it was. Doctors prescribed them like candy for any pain you had. So now we have addicts who didn’t ask for this. Fentanyl wouldn’t even be an issue if we didn’t have this opioid addiction
The FDA did approve. Did the FDA know they were lying ?
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Old 12-18-2022, 01:09 PM
 
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You can blame pharma for getting them hooked on oxy and lying about how addictive it was. Doctors prescribed them like candy for any pain you had. So now we have addicts who didn’t ask for this. Fentanyl wouldn’t even be an issue if we didn’t have this opioid addiction
Yeh Big Pharma is 'an' issue but not the issue. Alot of addicts already had traits, habits, beliefs, practices that opened them up to full fledged hard core addiction. I know just as many people who used opioids safely and either stopped when the pain eased up or used them year round without issues.

Not all those addicts suffered a severe injury or experience. And addict can chose to quit and get sober, might take help but until they actually want to sober up and try to use tools like rehab they won't.
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Old 12-18-2022, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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You can blame pharma for getting them hooked on oxy and lying about how addictive it was. Doctors prescribed them like candy for any pain you had. So now we have addicts who didn’t ask for this. Fentanyl wouldn’t even be an issue if we didn’t have this opioid addiction

People have only been taking and sometimes getting addicted to opiates for 5000 years now... This all just has to be the fault of those evil corporations somehow....


What's next, is Pabst, Coors, Miller and Budweiser responsible for all alcoholics and their addictions and health problems???
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Old 12-19-2022, 01:17 AM
 
Location: Alberta, Canada
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A "safe consumption site" was tried locally. It didn't work. (Note that my remarks concern events pre-Covid.)

In theory, it sounded great: addicts would have a safe place to shoot up, with clean and sterilized equipment, but they brought their own drugs. Okay, fine. Addiction counselling was available, under the belief that "all addicts want to quit their addiction," and so were plenty of pamphlets. Medical care was available in case of overdoses. Sounds good so far.

The reality was different. Yes, the site was used to shoot up safely, and equipment was clean, but some addicts were taking more sterile syringes than they should have for a single visit, and using them later, in places where they shouldn't be shooting up. Public parks, for example, and we still have signs at public parks and playgrounds warning that, "If you see a syringe on the ground, do not touch it, and call police." A neighbourhood near the site was up in arms before city council, complaining about crashed addicts in their front yards. Parents weren't letting their kids go to the playground, because of discarded syringes in the playground. Nobody who went to the safe consumption site to shoot up took advantage of the addiction counsellors, who according to the news, spent their days surfing the web and otherwise being bored.

It also took a toll on local businesses. A nearby strip mall housed a couple of family restaurants and a drug store, among other businesses. Because of all the addicts in the area, drawn to the safe consumption site, the drug store moved elsewhere, and one family restaurant closed down. The other hung on, thanks to takeout and delivery. Nobody wanted to eat in. The liquor store survived, because ... well, there are alcohol addicts too. Point is, that nobody wanted to go to "the druggie part of town," so nearby businesses suffered.

And it did not affect the rate of opiate overdoses or deaths. Oh, some addicts were saved, thanks to Narcan intervention on site, but not those who OD'ed in parks or city streets. Sterile needles may be sterile, but they can still be used to OD anywhere.

In short, it's not a good idea. It works in theory, but not in practice. San Francisco might do well to look at the experiences of other cities that have tried this, and re-evaluate whether this is what it really wants to do.
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Old 12-19-2022, 05:39 AM
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Location: South of Heaven
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What percentage of the homeless drug addict community became that way because they were prescribed opioids by doctors for legitimate medical issues? 10%? 50%? 90%? I think the number is closer to 10% than 90% but I could be wrong.
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Old 12-19-2022, 05:44 AM
 
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Drug overdose fatalities are Darwinism in action. Why would anyone take measures and, more importantly, spend taxpayer money, to prevent someone who doesn't give a rat's ass about themselves from self destructive behavior?
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Old 12-19-2022, 06:09 AM
 
Location: Sector 001
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LOL. Keep voting democrat. It's working so well!
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Old 12-19-2022, 09:04 AM
 
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Says this as San Francisco has a 728 Million dollar budget deficit. Blames it on work at home not coming into the city.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ns-of-deficite

The work from home she's partially right. But the not coming into the city and spend is not just from employees spending at local businesses it's suburbanites not coming into the city to wine, dine or shop because of crime, homeless and drug addict littered streets.
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