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Old 12-31-2022, 09:42 AM
 
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Horsefeathers.

Climate change does not need to be — nor should it be — controversial. It isn't controversial among scientists, who have reached a scientific consensus that the planet is warming due to human activity. It wasn't controversial to Americans who were presented the facts about climate change throughout the 1970s, '80s and early '90s and demanded action be taken to protect the environment and the planet. Climate change is only controversial to the fossil fuel industry — which has spent millions of dollars intentionally trying to obscure their role in willingly polluting the planet and producing massive amounts of greenhouse gas emissions — and to conservative media, which found that it could turn science into a wedge issue.
Government funded scientists have reached a consensus.

Climate change is controversial for everyone indirectly. The people served by power from the TVA who had rolling blackouts during the cold snap would disagree with you. Numerous plastics that facilitate life on earth, some of which are life-saving, are derived from oil products.
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Old 12-31-2022, 09:46 AM
 
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Climate change is following the same narrative as Covid/masks/vaccines: do NOT doubt the experts, challenges are to be silenced as 'misinformation', the 'right' science is what you should believe.

And so, we go from science that is open to all challengers to see if it stands to the cult of belief. And non-believers should be persecuted.

The death of science continues.
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Old 12-31-2022, 09:49 AM
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Yes, follow the science. Scientists say the earth is warming, mostly due to human activity. Scientists don't say that is good or bad. They don't say everyone should buy an EV. Those are political decisions.
Some scientists say the earth is warming due to human activity.

Read this book on natural climate change in the American west. It is written by a professor at UC Berkeley that BELIEVES in climate change. BUT the book is about natural climate change in the west, which makes all the predictions about man-caused climate change look like child's play.

Read the book...please. It is a "science" book so hard reading for those with a liberal arts education. But wade through it and learn to think about science issues.

https://www.ucpress.edu/book/9780520...-without-water

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No. Too many democrats are bought and paid for by big business.

Most Dems are center right and whores to corporate America. They have been since the 70s.
The Democrats started "flirting" with the corporations in the 70's. When Bill and Hillary Clinton took over the Democrat party in the late 80 and early 90's the Democrats became TOTAL WHORES to corporate interests at that point.

Read Bill Clinton's book "My Life". He covers it.

In 2020, the National Chamber of Commerce funded the Democrats in that years election campaign. As did ALL the tech corporations and a whole host of others.
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Old 12-31-2022, 09:56 AM
 
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Of course. If we pay more taxes, it won't be as hot.
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Old 12-31-2022, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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No the Democrats can't solve global climate issues. That will take the world to do. Don't forget, fossil fuels are not an infinite fuel source. They have been produced through millions of years of plant and animal decay. That's not a process we can manufacture to keep up with demand.

There are estimates that we have enough coal for around 114 years. Do we really want to go back to that? We will run out of oil in roughly 50 years, natural gas in roughly 53 years.

So what do we do? Let it run out and deplete coal? I remember that filthy mess in a house in Chicago when I was little. That's not an option.

We have no choice. We have to develop a renewable source. If it's clean? All the better. We had better start soon to do this. There's a reason why wind turbine service technicians is the second fastest growing occupations, right behind nurse practitioners, and increasing at a rate 15 times higher than other occupations.

Democrats are beholden to tech. Republican's to the fossil fuel industry. One side lies for political advantage and big donor money. Which side is it? Both, but the science is real. We have a finite fuel supply.
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Old 12-31-2022, 10:26 AM
 
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Horsefeathers.

Climate change does not need to be — nor should it be — controversial. It isn't controversial among scientists, who have reached a scientific consensus that the planet is warming due to human activity. It wasn't controversial to Americans who were presented the facts about climate change throughout the 1970s, '80s and early '90s and demanded action be taken to protect the environment and the planet. Climate change is only controversial to the fossil fuel industry — which has spent millions of dollars intentionally trying to obscure their role in willingly polluting the planet and producing massive amounts of greenhouse gas emissions — and to conservative media, which found that it could turn science into a wedge issue.
There have been scientists, DR Roy Spencer for example, who dispute man made climate change. They just don't get the grants to do research.
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Old 12-31-2022, 10:39 AM
 
Location: texas
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The earth is 4 billion years old and constantly changing.

Humans are 200,000 years old and think we can play god and stop any change.

The earth will still be here long after humans are gone.

Perfect!
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Old 12-31-2022, 10:40 AM
 
Location: King County, WA
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I'm skeptical that this issue will be solved by politicians, at least not primarily. The necessary technology will be developed by scientists and engineers; everything else will be driven by economic motivations. This will require that the transition make sense from a financial and motivational perspective, much as carbon-based energy sources did in an earlier epoch. We're getting close to that already, with just a few more technological improvements being needed. It shouldn't matter if people believe in climate change or not; the technology will just be better.
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Old 12-31-2022, 10:48 AM
 
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Becoming better stewards of the environment isn't an unreasonable proposition. The prospective solutions currently on offer by the World Economic Forum and their Western sycophants are what is unreasonable—to put it politely. Leading climate activists have proposed homeostasis with the environment can only be achieved if the human population is somewhere between 500 million and 2 billion, depending upon which ones you're listening to. The first question anybody with an IQ above room temperature should be asking when they hear that is, "Well what do these folks want to do with the other 6 to 7.5 BILLION people!?" Setting those lunatics aside, we have other lunatics that are mainstream offering their own solutions: Surrender your individual liberties, worship intersectionality, learn to live without reliable electricity, and eat insects to control the weather.

These are our best and brightest, folks. Your moral betters hard at work in their ivory towers in lizard people land.
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Old 12-31-2022, 10:52 AM
 
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Do liberals actually think Democrats will solve Climate Change? I ask this because CC seems pretty high up in Democrat voters' concerns. Some will tell us that we have less than a decade left on Earth.

And if people think the Democrats have the answers, what do they think the solution is to a climate that is changing?

Also, assuming the solution works, what global mean temperature should we aim for? Is there a number that we can peg success to?

And at what cost are we willing spend, to get to that magic number and at what cost are willing to sacrifice to stabilize the climate at that temperature forever and ever?
I’m neither liberal nor a Democrat, and I am concerned about global warming, and Republican denial of the problem (claiming that it’s a hoax, that winter means that global warming isn’t occurring, claiming that humans have nothing to do with global warming) is completely unacceptable. I don’t expect any politicians or party to solve the problem, but I give credit to Democrats for at least trying to help address the problem. If Republicans would simply acknowledge reality- that global warming, accelerated by human activity, is occurring- and offer free-market solutions to it, that would be terrific and I’d support that. But I can’t support politicians who deny that the problem exists or that humans contribute to it.
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