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Old 12-31-2022, 07:16 AM
 
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Do neoCons actually believe in Climate Change? In COVID? In Dinosaurs?

Isn't cleaning up the air, the water, the soil actually a good thing?

Why can't you actually defer on this issue to the people who have spent their lives studying the climate?

These endlessly skeptical anti-science threads make me embarrassed for my fellow Americans.
I share your frustration and embarrassment.

As a problem, climate change is as bipartisan as it gets: it will have equally devastating effects in red states as in blue. Most Americans are ready to take climate change seriously & while the majority of Americans have come to see climate change for the existential threat that it is, Republican voters lag behind.

Among the many threats facing the globe, climate change stands out as an especially strong concern among citizens in advanced economies per a Pew Research survey. A median of 75% across 19 countries in North America, Europe and the Asia-Pacific region label global climate change as a major threat.

Views on climate change as a threat are linked to political divisiveness in the U.S., something also seen in the other countries surveyed, with those on the ideological left showing more concern about climate change than those on the right. Tragic.

Climate Change Remains Top Global Threat Across 19-Country Survey
People see UN favorably and believe ‘common values’ are more important for bringing nations together than ‘common problems’

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2...ountry-survey/
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Old 12-31-2022, 07:17 AM
 
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I have followed the science. Closely in fact. It tells me the same thing it tells climate scientists: human activity is causing climate change. You can continue burying your head in the sand if you wish but it won't change anything.
You can keep being a sheep, but it won't change anything.
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Old 12-31-2022, 07:18 AM
 
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I have followed the science. Closely in fact. It tells me the same thing it tells climate scientists: human activity is causing climate change. You can continue burying your head in the sand if you wish but it won't change anything.
Since you're convinced human activity is causing climate change (how much btw, 100%, 5%?), what is your solution to the changing of the climate and at what cost? Monetary costs, social costs?

We could spend 1 quadrillion dollars and eliminate 2 billion people, would that stop the climate from changing?
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Old 12-31-2022, 07:20 AM
 
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I share your frustration and embarrassment.

As a problem, climate change is as bipartisan as it gets: it will have equally devastating effects in red states as in blue. Most Americans are ready to take climate change seriously & while the majority of Americans have come to see climate change for the existential threat that it is, Republican voters lag behind.

Among the many threats facing the globe, climate change stands out as an especially strong concern among citizens in advanced economies per a Pew Research survey. A median of 75% across 19 countries in North America, Europe and the Asia-Pacific region label global climate change as a major threat.

Views on climate change as a threat are linked to political divisiveness in the U.S., something also seen in the other countries surveyed, with those on the ideological left showing more concern about climate change than those on the right. Tragic.

Climate Change Remains Top Global Threat Across 19-Country Survey
People see UN favorably and believe ‘common values’ are more important for bringing nations together than ‘common problems’

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2...ountry-survey/
Many scientists disagree but their opinions never reach the public. Facebook and Google and now Twitter have all admitted restricting some stories because they don't fit their viewpoint.
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Old 12-31-2022, 07:22 AM
 
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Many scientists disagree but their opinions never reach the public. Facebook and Google and now Twitter have all admitted restricting some stories because they don't fit their viewpoint.
Horsefeathers.

Climate change does not need to be — nor should it be — controversial. It isn't controversial among scientists, who have reached a scientific consensus that the planet is warming due to human activity. It wasn't controversial to Americans who were presented the facts about climate change throughout the 1970s, '80s and early '90s and demanded action be taken to protect the environment and the planet. Climate change is only controversial to the fossil fuel industry — which has spent millions of dollars intentionally trying to obscure their role in willingly polluting the planet and producing massive amounts of greenhouse gas emissions — and to conservative media, which found that it could turn science into a wedge issue.
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Old 12-31-2022, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Horsefeathers.

Climate change does not need to be — nor should it be — controversial

Do you eat meat? Just curious how far you are personally willing to go to save the planet.
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Old 12-31-2022, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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There is no solving climate change BUT as long as they keep trying that is all they need to do.

Solving Climate Change is like Ending Racism. We can talk about it to no end and throw heaps of money at the issues and a hot day in the Summer and a cold day in the Winter will be blamed on Climate change. If the last Racist on the planet is convinced to finally see the light the Race baiters will go back in time and dig up examples of racism and apply it to today.



There is no defeating these things and the Dems know it but boy it sure is good for ratings.
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Old 12-31-2022, 07:46 AM
 
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Do you eat meat? Just curious how far you are personally willing to go to save the planet.
I post this only because you asked, JenaS62. Among other efforts, I've been a vegan for 46 years, drive a hybrid Prius and will be trading that to a Volvo EV soon. I have 9 grandchildren and prefer to leave them a planet that is habitable or at least one that has humanity collaborating on saving it for their children and grandchildren and future generations.

Peace

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Old 12-31-2022, 07:50 AM
 
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Do liberals actually think Democrats will solve Climate Change? I ask this because CC seems pretty high up in Democrat voters' concerns. Some will tell us that we have less than a decade left on Earth.

And if people think the Democrats have the answers, what do they think the solution is to a climate that is changing?

Also, assuming the solution works, what global mean temperature should we aim for? Is there a number that we can peg success to?

And at what cost are we willing spend, to get to that magic number and at what cost are willing to sacrifice to stabilize the climate at that temperature forever and ever?
The climate is changing.

Maybe it's changing (or changing faster) because of human activity. Maybe not. But it is changing. Only idiots continue to argue that it isn't changing.

If the change was caused by global human effort, maybe concerted global human effort can stop or reverse it...but some scientists think we're already past the "tipping point," and there's still the great possibility that the planet's climate would change anyway because of forces even yet beyond our capability to control.

But this is a definite truth: There is no global will to make the global concerted effort climate change activists are calling for. China will never get on board. India will not get on board. Most developing nations are not going to give up development to get on board. It's still quite murky whether the changes activists say must be made won't themselves have negative effects (all those batteries and solar panels won't come out of a Star Trek replicator, y'know).

The bottom line is that whatever the activists say must be done to change the climate "back"...simply won't be done.

Climate change is happening and going to happen.

At this point, we need to be paying attention to its effects and how we will best manage them.

Are we developing drought-tolerant grains? Are we developing drought-resistant farming methods?

Are we developing new sources and means of obtaining fresh water?

Are we considering how society must physically move, how we must begin building homes and other structures, to deal with more intense weather patterns?
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Old 12-31-2022, 09:35 AM
 
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No. Too many democrats are bought and paid for by big business.

Most Dems are center right and whores to corporate America. They have been since the 70s.
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