Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 03-01-2023, 10:01 AM
 
Location: California
1,638 posts, read 1,108,042 times
Reputation: 2650

Advertisements

https://www.wsj.com/articles/chips-a...a07403?mod=mhp

Any company receiving subsidies to build semiconductor chips in the US need to follow all sorts of socialist nonsense.

All companies need to provide childcare that’s unionized. All construction labor needs to be unionized. Workers in these plants will need to be unionized, and there will need to be a certain number of diversity hires. The US government will also directly be able to get some of the profits.

I foresee this entire boondoggle to be a massive waste of money. Because of all the government regulations it’s unlikely the US will outcompete Asian fabs.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 03-01-2023, 10:06 AM
Status: "Apparently the worst poster on CD" (set 23 days ago)
 
27,636 posts, read 16,120,970 times
Reputation: 19031
Our govt is far to invasive
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-01-2023, 12:13 PM
 
3,356 posts, read 1,232,489 times
Reputation: 2301
Quote:
Originally Posted by saltine View Post
Our govt is far to invasive
Yea, we need to deregulate even more.
Just ask the people in the area of the train derailment.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-01-2023, 12:16 PM
 
Location: San Diego
5,734 posts, read 4,691,377 times
Reputation: 12810
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jstarling View Post
Yea, we need to deregulate even more.
Just ask the people in the area of the train derailment.
What do train regulations have to do with govt requiring unionized child care?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-01-2023, 01:00 PM
 
22,654 posts, read 24,581,931 times
Reputation: 20319
Hilarious and forget it, setting-up and running a modern chip manufacturing-plant in the US is a no-go.

The cost to run a chip-plant here, compared to China....there is no way the per-chip
price coming from a US plant will be even close to competitive............without ooooodles of
government "help".

The competitive retail-price of an older yet still widely used chip, like the high-speed version of the 555-timer, would be impossible to achieve in the US.....without selling it at a loss.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-01-2023, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Sector 001
15,945 posts, read 12,279,929 times
Reputation: 16109
This is fine as long as it rewards the hard workers but all too often these types of programs reward people who abuse the system taking disability when it's not needed and getting paid to not work. Then the people who show up every day end up resenting the freeloaders and having to work extra for their absences. Then some of them quit. Just another way for government to spend money it doesn't have by the modern monetary theorists and their perpetual too-big-to-fail top to bottom entitlement state.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-01-2023, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
29,820 posts, read 24,891,001 times
Reputation: 28498
A perfect example of why the USA is not a world leader in so many industries/niches now.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-01-2023, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
29,820 posts, read 24,891,001 times
Reputation: 28498
Quote:
Originally Posted by tickyul View Post
Hilarious and forget it, setting-up and running a modern chip manufacturing-plant in the US is a no-go.

The cost to run a chip-plant here, compared to China....there is no way the per-chip
price coming from a US plant will be even close to competitive............without ooooodles of
government "help".

The competitive retail-price of an older yet still widely used chip, like the high-speed version of the 555-timer, would be impossible to achieve in the US.....without selling it at a loss.

The thing about China is, their industries are heavily subsidized. So any business trying to compete with one of China's key industries needs to have tons of government "help" just to exist. Unfortunately, the kind of help that will be offered will be the exact opposite of help. A USA company would be far better off without that help, but they still won't be able to compete with China. Anyone purchasing these chips from a USA supplier for the next decade will likely be doing so because of government mandates, or they actually give a damn about their country and don't mind paying more.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-01-2023, 02:05 PM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
52,706 posts, read 34,534,911 times
Reputation: 29285
Quote:
Originally Posted by njbiodude View Post
https://www.wsj.com/articles/chips-a...a07403?mod=mhp

Any company receiving subsidies to build semiconductor chips in the US need to follow all sorts of socialist nonsense.

All companies need to provide childcare that’s unionized.All construction labor needs to be unionized. Workers in these plants will need to be unionized, and there will need to be a certain number of diversity hires. The US government will also directly be able to get some of the profits.

I foresee this entire boondoggle to be a massive waste of money. Because of all the government regulations it’s unlikely the US will outcompete Asian fabs.
the cost of that alone will be more than half a billion chinese chips.

nice going, brandon.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-01-2023, 03:14 PM
 
Location: California
1,638 posts, read 1,108,042 times
Reputation: 2650
Quote:
Originally Posted by sholomar View Post
This is fine as long as it rewards the hard workers but all too often these types of programs reward people who abuse the system taking disability when it's not needed and getting paid to not work. Then the people who show up every day end up resenting the freeloaders and having to work extra for their absences. Then some of them quit. Just another way for government to spend money it doesn't have by the modern monetary theorists and their perpetual too-big-to-fail top to bottom entitlement state.
Possibly. But the problem here is a bill about semiconductor is actually a bill about unionized childcare, union requirements for manufacturing, for construction, diversity inclusion. A lot of the billions that are supposed to be going to actual chips aren’t going to what they’re supposed to be but instead creating a quasi government run pork project that due to all of these other requirements won’t ever be able to produce competitive semiconductor chips despite all the money spent.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top