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If you pave over the recently monocropped farmland with concrete it wont.
It wont what, be used for natural succession or sold to another small farmers? I have watched the sale and development of farmland here for the past 40+ years. Farms were passed down through generations. The older generation dies out leaving the farm to their children who have moved on for jobs and sell the property to developers for housing developments or commercial property. Or they just get old and retire selling off most of their land for the same purposes or dividing it up amongst their heirs. Little farmland remains farmland.
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Originally Posted by NJ Brazen_3133
If they make this 6 sqmi, I fathom it will be fully horizontally, and vertically integrated needing nothing done off site besides mining raw materials. But does it need to be completely packaged together at one site? If you break up each phase and place at their own remote sites, it will only cost more in transit. But think about this. We are talking about a facility to build vehicles. Being weary of transit costs is ironic. And no it will not jack up the consumer price because consumer price will only get so high before demand tapers or consumers look to a competitor
There is the Hartsville Nuclear Plant, and the Old Tennessee State Penitentiary. Both are abandoned. Spread the work out to different locations and you will help more locations with jobs and economy. You wont create a bottle neck of traffic in an area that really does not want it to begin with.
I am not saying you must but these are two possible alternatives. And no it is not about bringing jobs to where the talent is. The talent follows the jobs. Where ever you place the facilities; people wanting those jobs will move.
Look, the plans for the complex is 6 square miles of property. Its not an if. The company does what is most cost effective and best for the company. So yes they felt the factory needed to be at one site. And if you use multiple sites you will still need road improvement. The cost to demolish, rebuild or renovate bring up to code existing sites built for completely different purposes would not be as cost effective as building from the ground up.
You have one site basically downtown Nashville. Talk about bottlenecking. Rush hour traffic is already horrendous. Then your sister sites is in BFE near the prison. Have you compared the costs to purchase and rebuild/remodel. Have you looked at the workforce. Have you looked at the infrastructure. That a building has been previously built on a zoned site is not the be all end all.
For residents of TN it is about bringing jobs where jobs are needed. The state if providing funding for an onsite tech school. The area is an area that is predominantly black and economically depressed. It is also an area where jobs are needed and new businesses will benefit the small towns. The area very much wants the jobs. The only ones disgruntled are the few landowners who wont be getting the top dollar for their small strips of acreage for roads and road improvements that Ford paid for prime building acreage and even they are in favor of the plant being built there.
Based on the plants location is there another route that a road could be brought in that creates less controversy or will that affect the rich land owners who must not be upset?
The frontage road for the 2 locations is apparently 2000 or so feet (0.4 miles) Stanton road ties into 4 lane highway 222 to the north and south.
Frankly I'm surprised people are still bickering about this, everyone in the story is happy with the situation, they just want a better offer from the state for widening what appears to be 2000ish feet of old country road.
If you go to street view the road is SUPER narrow, would be really difficult for all the truck traffic.
I suggest using any of the already zoned industrial parks because that is what we are all suppose to do first. Plus what will happen to those industrial parks or any place that is sitting empty? Just stay empty?
Is there anything special about this Ford facility that needs its own newly built site that all involved must change the landscape completely?
Those areas will be purchased and used for something suitable for the area and company or perhaps just stay empty, yes.
per the bold from the article:
"In windows all around the nearby Brownsville town square, businesses have tacked up “Welcome Y’all!” signs with the blue Ford logo, including one at a local real estate firm next to a listing for 70 acres of vacant land near Ford’s new BlueOval City campus. The listing is on the market for $14.5 million – an exorbitant jump in value from $10,000-per-acre asking prices several years ago."
I'm thinking that's where they get the $37,500 for the 10 acres, in the sentence, "The state’s offer? $37,500 — or $3,750 per acre."
Yes, unfortunately the court will decide the fair price for the land and guaranteed it won't be the same as that listing price.
That listing price was from several years ago. It was a couple of years ago all real estate was greatly inflated, but has since dropped down to more normal prices. Even houses where I live, blue collar kind of run down area, were listing for greatly inflated value but now the boom is over. So we don't know if $10,000 an acre is the current value.
The frontage road for the 2 locations is apparently 2000 or so feet (0.4 miles) Stanton road ties into 4 lane highway 222 to the north and south.
Frankly I'm surprised people are still bickering about this, everyone in the story is happy with the situation, they just want a better offer from the state for widening what appears to be 2000ish feet of old country road.
If you go to street view the road is SUPER narrow, would be really difficult for all the truck traffic.
Right. A lot of the old state highways around here are narrow and curvy (not so much curvy in west TN). A lot of old hwys have been upgraded and widened in areas where there is commercial and residential expansion. Some of that requires the purchase of private property along existing roads by the state.
Good grief I dont remember complaining like this when I-840 was planned, or 440.
Why dont Ford just build the plant at a zoned industrial park. That way the infrastructure such as wide roads is already there, plus easy access to highways?
Why are they putting it in the middle of farmland? Is it to employ farmers? If farmers want to switch jobs, they can move to the nearby city. Farmland that is not being used is better off reverting to nature. Nature will repair the land from a century of monocropping. And when some other farmer is ready to move in, they will have nice fertile land.
The plant will be on 3600 acres, almost 6 square miles. What industrial park would have a space that large?
I suggest using any of the already zoned industrial parks because that is what we are all suppose to do first. Plus what will happen to those industrial parks or any place that is sitting empty? Just stay empty?
Is there anything special about this Ford facility that needs its own newly built site that all involved must change the landscape completely?
They probably wouldn't have picked this area if that was what they had to do. Many states wanted this plant and Tennessee lawmakers actively courted Ford to build it there.
"Before landing the Ford project, Tennessee had invested more than $174 million in the unused Memphis megasite. Tennessee lawmakers have committed to spending nearly $900 million on state incentives, infrastructure upgrades and more as part of a sweeping plan with Ford. The agreement included $500 million in capital grant funds. The lease essentially grants the land to Ford through December 2051. The rent is $1 for the entire lease term."
This was an area that was slowly failing, and losing residents due to lack of financial resources/jobs.
"With an economy based largely on farming, Haywood County saw its population shrink by 4.9% to 17,864 people from 2010 to 2020, one of 14 counties to lose population as Tennessee grew as a whole by 8.9%, according to census data.
The factory is expected to bring both small and large businesses to the area, including hotels, restaurants, health care facilities and suppliers for the plant, among others. Real estate values also could increase.
Ford's leaders have pledged to help the communities near the plant. The Ford Motor Company Fund announced Friday it has awarded 17 grants of $75,000 to $100,000 each to fire departments, arts and parks conservancy groups, a community center, local governments and other organizations in six counties."
"As it seeks to develop its workforce in Tennessee, Ford said it has begun a talent development program that will support STEM instruction in K-12 schools, bring advanced manufacturing education to schools, and expand certification, dual-enrollment and internship opportunities for students."
Sounds like many more people are going to benefit from this than lose.
The frontage road for the 2 locations is apparently 2000 or so feet (0.4 miles) Stanton road ties into 4 lane highway 222 to the north and south.
Frankly I'm surprised people are still bickering about this, everyone in the story is happy with the situation, they just want a better offer from the state for widening what appears to be 2000ish feet of old country road.
If you go to street view the road is SUPER narrow, would be really difficult for all the truck traffic.
Thank you for a constructive response, but looking at the map it appears direct access is available from Rt 222 without having to upgrade the Frontage Road. It seems to make better sense to build an intersection with a light than trying to upgrade the frontage road.
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