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Our corrupt Supreme Court declared that corporations are people, and they have a free speech right to dump horrendous amounts of money into political campaigns.
Of course they have much more money than the rest of us, so they have much more free speech.
They also support lobbyists, who buttonhole our politicians and give them all kinds of perks. They have access you and I will never have.
It's time but the uniparty's sense of entitlement to 'the job' is greater than that of a union worker at a factor or construction site.
The older establishment wings of both parties will do everything in their power and have been doing everything over the decades to nullify, negate, minimize a third party. But maybe enough newer voters aren't brainwashed yet or the older voters are tired of the same old rhetoric.
This unlike previous periods in politics and elections there might not be an opportunity to get them next time. The pace and fervor which policy changes take place will not allow for a 'next time'-the future is now. The Democrats want one party rule, it's not about establishment politics which the Republicans don't seem to understand. It cannot be business as usual because that's what many do not want period and I'm not talking about those that want to clean up the swamp.
I think that the leftists should look into the Socialists party or Progressive party. They are more deserving of leftist votes than the Democrat party.
No thanks, but you’re free to waste your vote on the Libertarian if you like.
It comes down to a binary choice.
EITHER/OR
The GOP benefits from some third party voting, since they’re stuck nationally at about 46% to 47%.
NATIONAL POPULAR VOTE (Last 10 elections: D7 R3)
2020: Biden 51.26% Trump 46.80% = D+ 4.46%
2016: H Clinton 48.02% Trump 46.93%= D+ 2.09%
2012: Obama 51.07% Romney 47.15%= D+ 3.92%
2008: Obama 52.86% McCain 45.60%= D+ 7.26%
2004: GW Bush 50.73% Kerry 48.26% = R+2.47%
2000: Gore 48.38% GW Bush 47.87% = D+0.51%v
1996: B Clinton 49.23% Dole 40.72% = D+8.51%
1992: B Clinton 43.01% GHW Bush 37.45% = D+5.56%
1988: GHW Bush 53.37% Dukakis 45.65% = R+7.72%
1984: Reagan 58.77% Mondale 40.56% = R+18.21% 2000 to 2020 average = D 49.89% -R 47.51% = D+2.38%
When Trump won in 2016, he benefitted from a 5% third party vote. When he lost in 2020, there was only about 2% voting third party. There have been reports that Republican financiers are backing the “No Labels” third party because it likely would benefit the GOP nominee.
Libertarians have come the closest, but they’re living in a fantasy land all too often. Like with open borders. You can’t have robust social safety net programs, then let anyone who makes it across the border eligible. Libertarians will say ‘eliminate the safety net’, but that’s not going to happen. And shouldn’t, imo. Bad stuff happens to good people. So Libertarians need to learn to work with our systems as they exist.
Libertarians have come the closest, but they’re living in a fantasy land all too often. Like with open borders. You can’t have robust social safety net programs, then let anyone who makes it across the border eligible. Libertarians will say ‘eliminate the safety net’, but that’s not going to happen. And shouldn’t, imo. Bad stuff happens to good people. So Libertarians need to learn to work with our systems as they exist.
Most libertarians are against social safety nets.
The problem with social "safety nets" is that they inevitably devolve into permanent subsidies for the irresponsible and unprepared, not last resort emergency assistance. And that you eventually run out of other people's money.
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No, quite the opposite. Only a 3rd party in the middle could have a chance at balance between the extremes. These are exactly the types of issues where they could especially excel.
There is no balance between the extremes.
Guns
Abortion
Immigration
Taxes and the deficit
What would the policy of the 3rd party be that would draw from both sides? The party would have to pick a lane on each issue. And that would alienate 50% of voters. If they abstain from commenting no one would trust them. People are conditioned to taking sides on the above.
What would the policy of the 3rd party be that would draw from both sides? The party would have to pick a lane on each issue. And that would alienate 50% of voters. If they abstain from commenting no one would trust them. People are conditioned to taking sides on the above.
Explain what you said.
That one's kind of easy. More gun control, legal abortion, stricter immigration enforcement with more humane treatment, lower taxes for the middle class at the expense of the obscenely wealthy, and the USA/world/modern economy has always run on debt. More people think that way or something similar than you believe.
Also, a lot of people are tired of the hot button social issues. Someone could campaign on a political reform or pro-labor platform and downplay these things, even though they choose a side.
What would the policy of the 3rd party be that would draw from both sides? The party would have to pick a lane on each issue. And that would alienate 50% of voters. If they abstain from commenting no one would trust them. People are conditioned to taking sides on the above.
Explain what you said.
Guns - 2A is abundantly clear. Shall Not Be Infringed. Disband the ATF and strike all gun laws.
Abortion - state issue
Immigration - enforce the law
Taxes and the deficit - Tax less and spend even less. 40% budget cut + Indefinite spending freeze until the national debt reaches 50% of GDP. Lower tax rates across the board. Gut the DC bureaucracy. Flatter tax structure.
Last edited by albert648; 06-02-2023 at 09:24 AM..
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