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View Poll Results: Does "race" exist?
Yes, therefore races can be compared. 78 64.46%
No, therefore comparisons are erroneous. 43 35.54%
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Old 06-21-2023, 01:39 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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There's definitely genetic clines based on geography (often with different clines for different genes); however, there's no way to exactly define or separate humanity into biological races. Human populations have been on the move and mixing since the dawn of modern man. We're all a mix of mixes of mixes.
If there is “no way” to separate humanity into races and we are all just infinitely mixed, then why do humans themselves separate into races?

In America, why are there black neighborhoods, white neighborhoods and hispanic neighborhoods in most urban areas?

Why are different races highly concentrated in different regions of the country itself?

These “no race” theories never ask the obvious questions for some reason.
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Old 06-21-2023, 02:42 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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If there is “no way” to separate humanity into races and we are all just infinitely mixed, then why do humans themselves separate into races?

In America, why are there black neighborhoods, white neighborhoods and hispanic neighborhoods in most urban areas?

Why are different races highly concentrated in different regions of the country itself?

These “no race” theories never ask the obvious questions for some reason.
If there were no laws against discrimination there would be far more segregation. And without government manipulating the economy there would be even more.

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Old 06-21-2023, 05:15 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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If there is “no way” to separate humanity into races and we are all just infinitely mixed, then why do humans themselves separate into races?

In America, why are there black neighborhoods, white neighborhoods and hispanic neighborhoods in most urban areas?

Why are different races highly concentrated in different regions of the country itself?

These “no race” theories never ask the obvious questions for some reason.
Your conflating cultural and socio-economic phenomenon (albeit ones that are influenced by our cultural tendency to group people by phenotype) with a biological one. I highly recommend checking out the book that I suggested if you want more insight on humanity's genetic history.
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Old 06-21-2023, 05:29 AM
 
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If there is “no way” to separate humanity into races and we are all just infinitely mixed, then why do humans themselves separate into races?

In America, why are there black neighborhoods, white neighborhoods and hispanic neighborhoods in most urban areas?

Why are different races highly concentrated in different regions of the country itself?

These “no race” theories never ask the obvious questions for some reason.
In America, you can't make an argument for natural self-segregation as though social pressure and legislation by the American Anglo dominant culture did not have a direct and deliberate effect for a couple of hundred years.

When Teddy Roosevelt declared that there should not be "hyphenated Americans," he wasn't talking about immigrants self-segregating (as they may do today), he was talking about Anglo-Americans of his day refusing to allow immigrant populations to assimilate.
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Old 06-21-2023, 07:27 AM
 
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If there is “no way” to separate humanity into races and we are all just infinitely mixed, then why do humans themselves separate into races?

In America, why are there black neighborhoods, white neighborhoods and hispanic neighborhoods in most urban areas?

Why are different races highly concentrated in different regions of the country itself?

These “no race” theories never ask the obvious questions for some reason.
I think it's more of a cultural separation than by race. We don't all practice the same culture and language and that's more of a divider in a country than race or skin color. Rampant "immigration" has been the result of that.
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Old 06-21-2023, 08:23 AM
 
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I think it's more of a cultural separation than by race. We don't all practice the same culture and language and that's more of a divider in a country than race or skin color. Rampant "immigration" has been the result of that.
I think we'd have to look at specific situations where we would expect a specific feature of culture to override skin color.

For instance, do we see Muslims of a specific sect segregating by race among themselves?
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Old 06-21-2023, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Races definitely differ biologically and in abilities. One race being “better then another” depends on specifics. Some races are better than others at certain things.
It's about staying together and raising your kids. The most successful group in America are children raised in a a 2 parent environment since it's much easier to get the needed guidance and reinforcement. The number one indicator on whether your child will be successful in school is parental participation.
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Old 06-21-2023, 09:28 PM
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If there is “no way” to separate humanity into races and we are all just infinitely mixed, then why do humans themselves separate into races?

In America, why are there black neighborhoods, white neighborhoods and hispanic neighborhoods in most urban areas?

Why are different races highly concentrated in different regions of the country itself?

These “no race” theories never ask the obvious questions for some reason.
You don’t understand the answer which has already been pointed out. It is a socio-cultural construct.
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Old 06-21-2023, 10:40 PM
 
Location: Metropolis
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I could certainly be wrong, and I have been wrong before because of a lack of information. As it relates to the topic, the information I have is from peer-reviewed studies, personal experience, and my own intuition. When I talk to people about race, it is important to know whether they believe in evolution. If they don't, I don't care to talk to them. If they do, then by definition they do not believe in human equality. Nor would they believe in equality of families, groups, countries, races, etc.

What irritates me are the people who claim to "love science", and who can see gender differences in other animals, but who reject them in humans. These same morons reject any biological basis for racial differences even though they can see obvious differences between our evolutionary ancestors/cousins(neanderthal, denisovans, erectus, etc). They can even see that non-Africans are ~2% neanderthal, that southeast Asians have denisovan admixture, and that West Africans have a large admixture from a ghost population. They also know that "Ancestral Adam/Eve" existed 150k+ years ago(the human/neanderthal split was about 500k years ago). And that humans have diverged quite substantially since that time. Including differences in brain volume and structure. Yet, these same morons still believe that racial differences are purely superficial and caused by environment(and systemic racism) not biology.


I'm fairly cautious about what I say because I truly despise being wrong. Also, I'm an unusual person because I don't really want anything. Cognitive-dissonance is caused by a conflict between what someone wants to be true vs reality. If you don't want anything then you don't need to lie to yourself, make excuses, or desperately find alternative hypotheses.

If I don't want anything, why am I here?
Maybe certain places have younger populations which would obviously effect average brain size.

Also, Neanderthals had larger brains and we out competed them.

Any way, are you saying there was a large peer review study of global average brain sizes? Please…

Humans diverged enough for superficial differences, that is all. Those with bigger brains would realize the nuance of visual differences within species as superficial. I can understand the less capable of possibly having visual anxiety about such things.

People need eggs and rice to be be bleached for example.
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Old 06-22-2023, 02:22 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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You don’t understand the answer which has already been pointed out. It is a socio-cultural construct.
Whatever the reason is, genes or environment, the differences among racial groups are more immutable than what people expected to see by now.
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