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I've been wondering how you and the homeless have been doing there lately, where temps are consistently going above 115 degrees. Where do the homeless go when these camps are cleared?
I don’t know. Have they sought help? If no, why not? Society isn’t required to act as babysitter. Some footwork on the part of the individual is also needed.
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Newton said he’s been offered a shelter bed before, but after seeing friends accept and then end up back on the street, he doesn’t see the point. Activists and those who have lived in shelters throughout California say residents sometimes chafe under a shelter’s strict rules, feel uncomfortable or unsafe there or get frustrated by the lack of options to transition from there into permanent housing.
So where will Newton go next? He’s not sure. Maybe across the street, until someone complains and he has to pack up again.
“Not many places that’s left to go, really,” he said.
So, Newton doesn't see the point of accepting a shelter bed, he may not like the rules, he may feel frustrated by a lack of options to transition from a shelter into permanent housing. It's all about what Newton might not like. Well, isn't that just too bad. Sorry, Newton but life isn't easy and never has been.
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Well look deeper Biden policies are making everything more expensive. Food energy rent has all gone up plus interest rates. Don't you think that when essentials go sky high there are more homeless people?
I have looked on the internet on people that live in their cars and they say they can't afford to eat so they left their apartment and live in their car so they could eat.
Everything has gone up. How do my renter make ends meet? Two incomes are usually a must. When I moved to Mesa, Az in 2019 gas was under 2.50 a gallon. Today if it drops below $4 it catches my eye. The cost of groceries? Same thing. Much higher today.
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Exactly correct. It's very disappointing that some in this thread, including the OP, are treating homelessness as being caused only by drug addiction and/or mental health issues and are completely ignoring the fact that the demand for affordable housing FAR outstrips the supply in the US and that the Biden Admin adding 6+ million no/low-income illegal aliens to the US population significantly exacerbates that problem.
Again, this is a problem caused by dysfunctionally severe confirmation bias.
Exactly correct. It's very disappointing that some in this thread, including the OP, are treating homelessness as being caused only by drug addiction and/or mental health issues and are completely ignoring the fact that the demand for affordable housing FAR outstrips the supply in the US and that the Biden Admin adding 6+ million no/low-income illegal aliens to the US population significantly exacerbates that problem.
Again, this is a problem caused by dysfunctionally severe confirmation bias.
The UCLA study I linked shows that while it may not be the singular cause, ~75% of respondents across 15 states claimed drug and/or alcohol addiction issues. So not "all", but "most."
Again, even if NIMBYs all agree to have their property values lowered by accepting the free/cheap housing in their midst, and even if the suppliers, contractors, tradespeople and architects of the world all agree to work for free or drastically lower wages because they just feel like helping...what indicators are there that the majority of the chronically/permanently unsheltered will go to wherever that newly created free/cheap housing has been erected?
They live free right now, so why move and pay rent, even if it is really cheap rent? They know who and where their drug/booze/vice hookups are right now, so why go to the free/cheap housing neighborhoods and have to reestablish that supply chain? Nobody sweats them as is, so why upset the apple cart?
Keep trying to find a solution where everyone EXCEPT the actual homeless do all the work AND where the homeless are simply supposed to just up and improve their lives....and you'll find this problem never, ever goes away and only gets worse.
I don't support policies that create the problems you seem to be highlighting.
The reason America doesn't have slums is because we made them illegal. Instead we have homelessness and full jails/prisons.
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I'm not sure how well these examples from China or the late 1800's apply to the homeless problems in America today.
Because Manhattan currently has a population density of 100 per acre. A hundred years ago, Lower Manhattan had a population density of 800 per acre. If Manhattan's population density dropped to 50 per acre it would have half as many people as it does now.
It should be obvious that if New York City changed its building codes/zoning laws, there would either be more housing or less housing. If you increased/decreased the amount of housing it would affect supply and demand, which would affect prices, which would have some effect on homelessness.
In the case of those "cage homes" in Hong Kong. Should they be illegal? Should we allow them here in the United States? Why or why not?
The UCLA study I linked shows that while it may not be the singular cause, ~75% of respondents across 15 states claimed drug and/or alcohol addiction issues. So not "all", but "most."
Again, even if NIMBYs all agree to have their property values lowered by accepting the free/cheap housing in their midst, and even if the suppliers, contractors, tradespeople and architects of the world all agree to work for free or drastically lower wages because they just feel like helping...what indicators are there that the majority of the chronically/permanently unsheltered will go to wherever that newly created free/cheap housing has been erected?
They live free right now, so why move and pay rent, even if it is really cheap rent? They know who and where their drug/booze/vice hookups are right now, so why go to the free/cheap housing neighborhoods and have to reestablish that supply chain? Nobody sweats them as is, so why upset the apple cart?
Keep trying to find a solution where everyone EXCEPT the actual homeless do all the work AND where the homeless are simply supposed to just up and improve their lives....and you'll find this problem never, ever goes away and only gets worse.
San Diego has a huge homeless issue. No amount of "affordable housing" is ever going to be affordable here. There is hardly anywhere to build and no one is going to build "tiny homes" for free so transients can have permanent beach front housing.
Homelessness is not a choice for many people. Society forces it on some people who are targeted for discrimination. This includes the people who are condemned to live with serious health problems.
I've rarely met a homeless person incapable of working if he wanted to. They don't want to.
For example, I knew a homeless guy who ended up that way after a bad divorce. He lost his wife, his house, his job, and his will to live. He just wanted to drink himself to death.
Basically, a lot of homelessness is driven by a kind of contempt for society, and for life. It is what unhappy people do when they can't imagine a future where they will ever be happy. If you've lost all hope, why bother yourself with anything? Why not drink and do drugs all day? Or kill yourself.
If you really want to solve homelessness, you need to address not only the physical/economic causes of homelessness, but also the social and psychological causes. Basically, you need to create a world where people want to live.
The right-wing position of "make the homeless as miserable as possible" does not address the underlying causes. It best it pushes it somewhere else.
I've rarely met a homeless person incapable of working if he wanted to. They don't want to.
For example, I knew a homeless guy who ended up that way after a bad divorce. He lost his wife, his house, his job, and his will to live. He just wanted to drink himself to death.
Basically, a lot of homelessness is driven by a kind of contempt for society, and for life. It is what unhappy people do when they can't imagine a future where they will ever be happy. If you've lost all hope, why bother yourself with anything? Why not drink and do drugs all day? Or kill yourself.
If you really want to solve homelessness, you need to address not only the physical/economic causes of homelessness, but also the social and psychological causes. Basically, you need to create a world where people want to live.
The right-wing position of "make the homeless as miserable as possible" does not address the underlying causes. It best it pushes it somewhere else.
Well look deeper Biden policies are making everything more expensive. Food energy rent has all gone up plus interest rates. Don't you think that when essentials go sky high there are more homeless people?
I have looked on the internet on people that live in their cars and they say they can't afford to eat so they left their apartment and live in their car so they could eat.
A sure sign of not knowing much about economics or what makes our economy turn is blaming or crediting any POTUS to the extent you seem inclined.
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