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January 2001 - Representative Alcee Hastings of Florida objected to counting his state’s electoral votes because of “overwhelming evidence of official misconduct, deliberate fraud, and an attempt to suppress voter turnout.” Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee of Texas referred to the “millions of Americans who have been disenfranchised by Florida’s inaccurate vote count.” Rep. Maxine Waters of California characterized Florida’s electoral votes as “fraudulent.”
January 2005, Senator Barbara Boxer of California joined Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones of Ohio to lodge a formal objection to Ohio’s electoral votes. The objection compelled Congress to spend two hours in debate, even though Mr. Bush won Ohio by more than 118,000 votes. Representative Jerrold Nadler of New York said that the right to vote was “stolen.”
January 2017, after Donald Trump’s victory, Democrats in Congress once again challenged the election outcome. Representative Jim McGovern of Massachusetts cited “the confirmed and illegal activities engaged by the government of Russia.” Ms. Lee of California argued that Michigan’s electoral votes should be thrown out because “people are horrified by the overwhelming evidence of Russian interference in our elections.” She also cited “the malfunction of 87 voting machines.”
Which is inane since if they actually bothered to read the court documents, they could see pages-long rulings where judges discuss specific affidavits, evidence, etc. There was a judge in Nevada who specifically said (paraphrased) "Bring me all your evidence, I'll look at it"....and was given nothing of substance. Yet they still claim not a single judge looked at anything.
One of my favorite bits of "proof" was when they presented an affidavit from a fellow named Ramsland who said he showed that a bunch of Michigan cities had more votes than voters, proving the Dominion claim. Except whoopsie, turns out he confused cities in Minnesota with Michigan and his numbers were all wrong.
There were a lot of nutty conspiracies being bandied about. What ever happened to the German servers that military secretly seized with proof of switching? The Italian satellites? Lindell's packets? Hugo Chavez? It was never clear what the Kraken was supposed to be and we never saw it materialize.
While that was not my personal favorite of this whole mess, I remember reading that and wondering WTH is going on with Republicans. 60+ court cases and they were never able to produce even one bit of credible evidence.
Republican lists of dead voters resulted in lots of live voters answering the door. A guy who claimed he had 5,000+ names of people who voted illegally turned out to be a con artist who had pulled so many scams he could no longer run a business in Texas.
The Republican hearings are no better. Key witnesses turn out to be disgruntled employees, disciplined for violating top secret security policies and procedures, and a Chinese spy on the lamb. WTH? They just called a witness they claimed was going to blow the lid off the Biden "scandal." The guy testified that he never witnessed any of what they claim. Do they not talk to these people before they haul them in?
Sidney Powell was supposedly this well-respected, high level attorney who was going to bring the Kraken. Turns out she's a fruitcake who not only did not bring the Kraken, is quite likely one the six unnamed co-conspirators in the overthrowing the election case.
The whole thing is nuts.
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One good thing that is coming out of this, is that the gloves are off. Boy, I hope Trump wins in 2024 and weaponizes the DOJ the same way Biden is doing.
Or maybe we don't take the bait and elect someone who won't weaponize government but restore it to a degree of integrity, instead of tit for tat "revenge" that ultimately destroys the entire country.
that would allow the prosecution to call Trump to the witness stand.
Smith addresses that in the indictment. so i'd expect the prosecution are ready for that argument.
Jack Smith has done an excellent job of putting together a case against Trump. He is ready to counter any defense Trump and his attorneys plan to use. It's going to be interesting to see Trump's defense torn to shreds.
Trump and his defenders are claiming the DoJ in its indictment is going after his First Amendment free speech rights. It is not about that, it is not about the right to free speech, and Smith clearly explains that in the indictment. Yes -- Trump and his minions (and all of us) have the right to run around spreading as many lies as they choose. They have done that ad nauseam. They continue to do so. So be it.
What is illegal--and what Trump is charged with doing--is attempting to reverse the outcome of a free and fair election by a myriad of schemes all well-planned and carried out (unsuccessfully fortunately)--based on those lies. Rather than just lying, he attempted to make his lies a reality by negating our election process and essentially holding on to the power that the voters had withdrawn from him.
And he knowingly did so. To state that Trump to this day believes in his lies is ridiculous. There is audio of him stating that he knew he'd lost the election. His attorneys and other 'handlers' told him numerous times there was no fraud involved in the election. He knew but he did not --and still does not-- want to accept the will of the people. (And the fool thinks he has a chance of winning in 2024? When he has NEVER won a popular vote -- in the two times he's tried.)
It is TRUMP who has attempted to thwart OUR FREE SPEECH and OUR RIGHTS as citizens to have our votes properly counted, and the results untampered with. To freely elect our representatives.
January 2001 - Representative Alcee Hastings of Florida objected to counting his state’s electoral votes because of “overwhelming evidence of official misconduct, deliberate fraud, and an attempt to suppress voter turnout.” Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee of Texas referred to the “millions of Americans who have been disenfranchised by Florida’s inaccurate vote count.” Rep. Maxine Waters of California characterized Florida’s electoral votes as “fraudulent.”
January 2005, Senator Barbara Boxer of California joined Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones of Ohio to lodge a formal objection to Ohio’s electoral votes. The objection compelled Congress to spend two hours in debate, even though Mr. Bush won Ohio by more than 118,000 votes. Representative Jerrold Nadler of New York said that the right to vote was “stolen.”
January 2017, after Donald Trump’s victory, Democrats in Congress once again challenged the election outcome. Representative Jim McGovern of Massachusetts cited “the confirmed and illegal activities engaged by the government of Russia.” Ms. Lee of California argued that Michigan’s electoral votes should be thrown out because “people are horrified by the overwhelming evidence of Russian interference in our elections.” She also cited “the malfunction of 87 voting machines.”
Never forget that Martin Sheen and his celebrity friends urged Republican electors to stop Trump in 2016.
Or maybe we don't take the bait and elect someone who won't weaponize government but restore it to a degree of integrity, instead of tit for tat "revenge" that ultimately destroys the entire country.
Ok, so let's go back to 2016. Trump won the election and the DNC, the Obama DOJ/FBI immediately started a silent coup using the Russian Collusion Big Lie Hoax. They then had thousands of people rioting all over the country, used every tool possible to undermine a legitimate President including a Special Counsel Mueller who never should have been appointed, tried to impeach him over a phone call (hey, doesn't that impeach look silly knowing all the facts about Burisma?), then the media colluded with social media and the FBI to suppress the legitimate Hunter Biden laptop story.
Trump fired the FBI director because he would not pledge loyalty to Trump. That is what triggered the Mueller Investigation. And its purpose was to see if Russia interfered in the election and they did. Over a dozen Russians and some of Trump campaign staff were indicted. One of the indicted Russians met with Don Jr at Trump Tower. I was against both impeachments but Trumps current issues are his fault.
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