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Just an observation that may be of interest but where I came from, the churches were the biggest left wing terrorists. I would frequently see or hear of Christian left wingers. Even now, in my own family, I am seeing left leaning Christians. Left leaning anti-gay Christians are a thing.
Not saying that is the case here though. Just saying that someone being Christian or religious does not automatically make them right wing. I mean, look at Hitler for example. As left wing as you can get them but then I suspect he was just a psuedo 'Christian'.
Hitler was not “left wing”. He was a fascist like Franco in Spain and Mussolini in Italy. Hitler attacked the United Soviet Socialist Republics of Joseph STALIN.
The USA isn’t New Zealand. A “left leaning” person is unlikely to be interested in what goes on in people’s bedrooms. The anti gay American Christians are the nosy ones and they are definitely right wing.
The fact is she was murdered because someone didn’t like the flag she displayed. What is she supposed to realize.
I said; "If only she had realized" and then I went on to say "but how was she to know?" You quoted my post in which I said that!
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Right? She's supposed to realize that if she expresses her beliefs she'll get murdered?
Blaming the victim is so bizarre.
But who is blaming the victim? I wrote in the post that natalie quoted that no-one is blaming her.
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No Leo, come on now. This is a simple statement of fact. It does not lessen the nutters atrocity and it does not place blame on the victim. It is best to leave crazies alone as this case has demonstrated but easier said than done. Easy to say in retrospect too. Thing is, how was she to know? And who can blame her after having had her pride flag torn down more than once prior to this? Although in retrospect, there was a hint of crazy in that fact but still, how was she to know. Plus she would have been pretty mad - and who can blame her? No, no-one is blaming her for getting murdered by a crazy.I would say it's more of a case of 'retrospective regret'. You know - 'if only she had realized' or something like that. If only the damn nutter hadn't been a nutter or perhaps if only she hadn't put up the pride flag.
The alphabet people have never been about being left alone in their bedrooms. If that were so, they would have been happy with Lawrence v Texas.
The alphabet people are attention whores.
They love smearing their agenda in everyone's faces. People who are normal don't proclaim their normalcy with flags and "pride" parades. They don't make everyone stop and look at them for a whole month.
Normal people just live their lives - normally.
So why don’t you just mind your own business and live your life. Not sure why you let others bother you.
Read the 25 Points of National Socialism. A lot of them could come straight from the Democratic Party platform.
FDR copied Hitler's economic strategy.
You’re talking about NATIONAL SOCIALISM. The authoritarian dictatorship allowed private production/and corporations as long as it suited the state. That was Hitler.
In the USSR, there was no private property. The state owned and controlled all the means of production. There were NO CORPORATIONS. Leninists/Communists believe in the inevitability of WORLD/INTERNATIONAL REVOLUTION. Ever heard of the communist International?
FDR was a rich, patrician fellow who just made up programs to jump start the economy vs Hoover’s inaction.
The two concepts are both controlling/authoritarian but otherwise they’re 180 degrees apart.
Please Google NATIONAL socialism vs communism.
Once again, please research more carefully. Comparison/Contrast is helpful.
I think I’ve reached the point of diminishing returns with you for this evening.
Hitler was not “left wing”. He was a fascist like Franco in Spain and Mussolini in Italy. Hitler attacked the United Soviet Socialist Republics of Joseph STALIN.
The USA isn’t New Zealand. A “left leaning” person is unlikely to be interested in what goes on in people’s bedrooms. The anti gay American Christians are the nosy ones and they are definitely right wing.
Yes he did. Hitler also attacked Poland and France who were right wing. And Hitler and Stalin had an alliance. Stalin was actually a great admirer of Hitler. And look what Stalin did to his own people. And Mao Zedong. And Pol Pot. All socialists. So Hitler attacking his ally and fellow socialist doesn't mean a thing.
As for the this particular nutjob being left wing or right wing? Well, just because the anti gay Christians are right wing does not mean that this guy was right wing. He could be. But all I said was that Christians are not necessarily right wing.
I didn’t quote your post though because I have no idea how to do that
By quoting my post I mean what I have just done with yours.
I think that you and Jerz are simply misunderstanding what I have been trying to say. Quite honestly, I don't know how to express myself differently. I don't actually know why I am being misunderstood. That doesn't make it your fault. I have never been a great expresser of my thoughts - Aspergers you know. And I forget that I am easily misunderstood.
By quoting my post I mean what I have just done with yours.
I think that you and Jerz are simply misunderstanding what I have been trying to say. Quite honestly, I don't know how to express myself differently. I don't actually know why I am being misunderstood. That doesn't make it your fault. I have never been a great expresser of my thoughts - Aspergers you know.
You have a source for this guy being "right wing?" Homophobia doesn't have a partisan or ideological home. If it was like you claim, then blacks wouldn't disproportionately hold homophobic views.
Perhaps this guy is a right winger. I haven's seen anything to support such a contention so far, though.
There are people who are decidedly left or right of center, but arent political.
You could certainly label many religious people conservative, but they may not be republicans.
Vice versa, you have some gay people who are liberal, but arent democrats.
However, in the context of this guy, mentioning Soros is a red flag. George Soros does not exist outside the 2014-20?? political zeitgeist.
Saying he isnt political is nonsense. it would be like saying someone isnt a football fine while they are reciting pancake stats.
No one outside of a football fan would know what a pancake stat even was; Just like no one who isnt political would know who George Soros is.
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And I forget that I am easily misunderstood.
