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But the extra costs in public schools just go toward the, for HISD, $10,000 or so average cost per student. Public schools do not get a huge bump for each SPED student.
I don't know how it works but the TEA does in fact fund SPED more than the rank and file. Sometimes the bump is massive.
In 2020 Texas schools spent ~$6BBN on special education apparently the TEA funded $4BBN of that.
The average private school tuition in Houston is around $20,000. almost twice the cost per student for Houston ISD. I think that's more representative of large urban areas.
Private school can't operate for less than public schools. If they can, then they are money making machines.
They are not money making machines in terms of profit they can't be. Just about every single one funds lots of kids/families who can't pay much or at all......schools also fund significant merit aid as well.
My son graduate from a Dallas private....for many years between 30 & 35% of students have been on some type of aid.
MEH -- so in general are you suggesting wealthy Democrats send their kids to private schools more than or in the same proportion or less than Republicans with money. This means nothing.
So here's my thing....I went to a private schol. My Dad was CFO of a multi-national company. My kids went to public school. They got way better education, diversity, exposure, opportunities........
So a parent choooses a school with a religious idealogy that supports theirs but it doesn't meant it is the best academic opportunity.
So fight for your choice, spread education dollars thinner than they already are....and expect those that have and can to do better...and those that struggle and may be averge to be pushed aside.
Within a school board district, there should be some fluidity between schools to allow schools to focus on some specific learning opportunities. Not every school has to have the best music program, building techniques program (and yes obviously from my references I have been privileged to be in school districts with some fancy stuff), etc.
I live in an uppper upppper middle sclass district and our high schoools get all the good stuff. But our school board covers a huge geographical area. The kids in our school board district should have access to the fancy veterinarian classes at our fancy high school.
BUT -- spreading those funds to private for profit enterprises changes everything.
Maybe you went to a less than solid private school?
It's only "an issue" because, in spite of more and more money being given to education, kids still can't read or do math.
Funny, you want to eliminate NY from discussion because of Teachers Unions, but you just highlighted the real issue - bureaucrats that benefit from educational dollars, and love the control it gives them to indoctrinate students. Yes, indoctrinate. Because that is exactly what it is. Why else would schools spend so much time and effort on non-academic things?
I applaud the governors that are fighting the left, and forcing schools to get back to teaching EDUCATION.
Your first line is valid but is that a reflection of the schools or the parents who aren't holding up their end? Parents have far more time and influence on a child than any teacher, if they aren't going to ensure that homework is done and lessons studied who's fault is it that the child does poor in reading and math.
NY Metro schools are a world of their own and to read the CD Long Island board ones gets the picture of a block by block one upsmanship over who's district is better. The union is abusive there as is most of the unions in the NY Metro but on education they have no apparent limits on how they tax always with the mantra of "its for the children". But when a school needs a roof, or repairs there is no money because unlike a homeowner they never budget for any emergency.
You say "indoctrinate students" what is being indoctrinated?
Seems like I may have misunderstood your thinking about public investment/tax abatement incentives. Sorry for that.
The Chinese are always gaming everyone they deal with. It's in their business DNA. I have no particular knowledge about Ford's Chicom partner but given long tradition it's likely staffed with lots of ex-military and Norinco big shots.
No problem but the Battery partner for Ford was a South Korean Company, not Chinese but it is Chinese technology. Either way he ruined badly needed jobs for a region that needs them...
You are ignoring some basic funding facts. When you take away funding, you don't reduce costs to an equal degree. Most of the costs in a school system are fixed. Take two kids and "their share" of funding out of a classroom to divert to a private school and the costs for that public school teacher and that school facility aren't reduced. You just have less money to pay for them. This further weakens the public school system. Which is just what Republicans want, because their focus on private schools is, for the most part, just one giant money. grab.
This is a huge point, and one that public school administrators have been trying to make for a couple of decades now.
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With all that said, anything is better than government schools. I hate them so much you wouldn't believe.
Where did you get your education?
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Regardless, private schools can operate for less than whatever the government is spending.
Doubtful, but if they do it's because they're not providing aides and specialists for kids with behavioral issues, physical and developmental disabilities and delays, and any number of other services that public schools must provide because they cannot pick and choose who comes through their doors other than through limitations of geography and residence.
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Private school can't operate for less than public schools. If they can, then they are money making machines.
What non-profit private schools can do is fundraise. Public schools can to a degree if they have a separate foundation with its own 501c3, but not all do. But non-profit private schools - also with 501c3 designation - are able to run private capital campaigns, annual fundraising campaigns, solicit planned gifts, etc.
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The sooner liberals understand that the government does not have its own money, and that those "public dollars" belong to the taxpayer, the quicker they'll move from the radical position they're currently marching towards.
Well, yes. And I'd prefer that my property tax dollars designated for public schools stay with the public schools, where there is accountability and where I can cast my vote for a school board member. My property tax dollars should not go outside my public school district, nor should they go to any private school within my school district.
Courts have ruled that education to age 16 is a civil right and compulsory.
Compelling parents to send their children to failing, dangerous public schools with metal detectors and violent bullies in the hallways, chaos and disrespect in the classrooms and incompetent union-protected teachers is a violation of that right.
One remedy is vouchers. Yes, vouchers do take money from the public schools budget as they should. Each student should only be "funded" once.
Voucher schools should be allowed to maintain behavior and academic standards. Students who fail to meet the standards should be educated in separate schools. If the public schools would do that (as they once did), there would be a much lower demand for vouchers.
This is a huge point, and one that public school administrators have been trying to make for a couple of decades now.
If you look at how bloated most school administrations you would realize that there are many areas that can be trimmed from Public schools and not affect the teachers or education in the least. I'll give you one area, while it isn't as prevalent, there was a time when if a teacher wanted to get reimbursed for school supplies they had to purchase them from specified vendors. So instead of a teacher being able to buy 10 boxes of crayons for $1 each at a Big Box store, they spend $4 each. Things like that add up significantly.
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Doubtful, but if they do it's because they're not providing aides and specialists for kids with behavioral issues, physical and developmental disabilities and delays, and any number of other services that public schools must provide because they cannot pick and choose who comes through their doors other than through limitations of geography and residence.
That's your opinion. Until just a short time ago you denied that Private schools would even take Special Education students. You just keep trying to spin some arguments but have no idea what actually goes on.
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What non-profit private schools can do is fundraise. Public schools can to a degree if they have a separate foundation with its own 501c3, but not all do. But non-profit private schools - also with 501c3 designation - are able to run private capital campaigns, annual fundraising campaigns, solicit planned gifts, etc.
I haven't been part of a single public school that hasn't done some sort of "foundation". There are fundraising companies that make their business on this. Can't tell you how many boxes of chocolate, or packages of wrapping paper I have bought, or Walk-A-Thons I have donated to help out.
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Well, yes. And I'd prefer that my property tax dollars designated for public schools stay with the public schools, where there is accountability and where I can cast my vote for a school board member. My property tax dollars should not go outside my public school district, nor should they go to any private school within my school district.
Again that's your opinion. There are many people who want more control over their tax dollars and want a say in where it goes, and not just in public schools. I'm all for accountability including to public schools. Full Yearly audits all around, not of what they put in the "Budget"...but where the money actually went.
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