Here's what's in the House Republican border bill tied to gov't funding fight (weapons, invasion)
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Must be nice to have plenty of money to spend on unnecessary items. Motion sensor cameras work, the dog works ...
Congress we need more money to build a great big wall, we need security. How much debt are we in for the CBP surveillance project--- ? Doesn't matter. A blank check works ... After all its the tax payer's money and we all know that grows on trees.
"Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." That quote often comes up in the context of new technology and concerns about government surveillance. Benjamin Wittes, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and the editor of Lawfare, tells NPR's Robert Siegel that it wasn't originally meant to mean what people think.
RICHARD ANDERSON: Very simply - and I'm paraphrasing here - but Ben Franklin essentially said at one point, those who would trade privacy for a bit of security deserve neither privacy nor security."
I've always found it interesting that the government knows all there is to know about us, but we know very little about them.
It was estimated that completing the border wall would have cost around $5 billion. We've given what, $130 billion or so to Biden's money launderers in in Ukraine. Lets not pretend that money is a concern, when we can give that much to Ukraine to secure it's border, but not spend a dime to secure ours against a much larger invasion.
I'm using a virtual machine so that I can run two addition operating systems on my PC. I guess it's my imagination that the 'virtual' machine exists.
Israel is also using technology to secure their borders, but they call their wall a 'smart wall'. Whether a person wants to call a border wall, smart or imaginary, here is additional information, both reports were done in 2020.
"CBP first piloted the towers in early 2018 with four towers in the San Diego Border Patrol Sector, and has since procured 56 additional towers. CBP is on a path to procure and deploy 140 additional towers in Fiscal Years 2021 and 2022, to reach a total of 200 towers.
Autonomous technology is a true force multiplier for CBP, enabling Border Patrol agents to remain focused on their interdiction mission rather than operating surveillance systems."
If a person wants to know if it is working or not:
It's a long read and I'm thinking about waiting it out for the cliff notes version.
However, it seems CBP love it, as CBP is expanding the program. This is why the Republicans bill for a physical wall funding, is being looked at by Democrats with little to no interest.
Ron Paul described a border wall as doing two things, keeping people out, but also keeping people in. This level of surveillance operation, will also be capable of doing something else. In people pushing their government for more safety and security, well, you know what they say.
Yes, I was being facetious there.
Thanks for that info. It does sound like a better idea. Of course, it will only work when there is a will to make it work.
While I think a border wall has its place, it is a bit impractical to wall the whole southern border.
Thanks for that info. It does sound like a better idea. Of course, it will only work when there is a will to make it work.
While I think a border wall has its place, it is a bit impractical to wall the whole southern border.
There was no plan to wall of the entire southern border. We need 1,000 miles of good wall on the most porous areas of the border. The rest is mostly impassable terrain so fewer will try in those areas and fewer will succeed. Trump completed 450 miles of it so it was nearly half done before Biden put a stop to it.
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There was no plan to wall of the entire southern border. We need 1,000 miles of good wall on the most porous areas of the border. The rest is mostly impassable terrain so fewer will try in those areas and fewer will succeed. Trump completed 450 miles of it so it was nearly half done before Biden put a stop to it.
Most of what Trump build was in locations with an existing wall, only about 45 miles were new. And who paid for the wall??? It sure the heck wasn't Mexico as was promised!
Most of what Trump build was in locations with an existing wall, only about 45 miles were new. And who paid for the wall??? It sure the heck wasn't Mexico as was promised!
"MYTH: The Biden administration has ignored the border and is refusing to commit proper resources to it.
TRUTH: The idea that Democrats have ignored the situation at the border and refused to commit resources to solving it is another outright lie. In reality, the Biden-Harris administration and congressional Democrats have surged record levels of funding to the border.
The FY23 government funding package that President Biden signed into law provided Border Patrol with $7.153 billion — a 17 percent increase from the year before. Additionally, the funding package provided $65 million for 300 new Border Patrol agents, $60 million for 125 new personnel at points of entry; and $230 million for technology like autonomous surveillance towers.
House Republicans voted against this historic funding."
But then I found this:
Courtesy of Senate Appropriations Committee - Republicans HOMELAND SECURITY, 2023
$82.068 billion in total base discretionary funding
Which includes $230 million for autonomous surveillance towers.
Seems both sides are hard at work to solve the border issue, but one side needs (people looking at a physical wall) better optics for political reasons. The other side not so much, they're just funding their efforts and they don't care who is looking at it.
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
So, they wrote a bill to mandate the building of a wall, and hiring more agents and they pushed it through the Senate, and tried to get the votes in House, which was rejected by the GOP.......and that somehow translates to Dems not wanting their own bill.
No, GOP didn't want it.
LOL. No, socialism does not demand open borders, and nor is anyone asking for socialism. What on earth are you talking about As a matter of fact socialist countries guard their borders more strictly than anyone.
Clearly this is becoming a waste of time.
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Originally Posted by workingclasshero
then why does the left have the borders open
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If the borders are open then why all the $$$ funding, from both R & D allocated to CBP?
The existing inferior walls/fences needed replacing. What difference did it make that that the new walls weren't the bulk of what Trump built? That poster is just grasping at straws now.
Who paid for 700 miles of inferior walls under Bush and Obama? The taxpayer, that's who! I don't recall these leftists b*tching about it back then. Trump needed the funds up front to get the wall started. It was to be reimbursed by Mexico via tariffs. IMO, the American taxpayer should have paid for it just like they did back in 2006 as it's on our border. Mexico paying for it was just icing on the cake if forced to do so.
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After all its the tax payer's money and we all know that grows on trees. 
