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View Poll Results: Would you consider permanently fleeing the US?
Yes, I would consider it if things got bad enough 29 17.37%
Yes, I am considering it now 27 16.17%
No, I will stay here for better or worse 53 31.74%
No, I love it here 48 28.74%
Don't know/other 10 5.99%
Voters: 167. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-23-2023, 07:01 AM
 
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Recently, I have been thinking about hitting the 'eject ' button on the US. Renouncing my citizenship and moving elsewhere. The government is only growing more bloated, corrupt, and tyrannical by the day, the general populace growing more degenerate and dysfunctional by the day, and I do not know how much more of it I can take. The problem is that picking up and moving to another country is a 'reset' of tremendous proportions. I would rather not do it, but if things got bad enough, I would certainly be open to the idea of moving.
As bad as the USA is getting with Democrats infiltrating the education system, it's still better than almost any other place you could go.

You have the freedom here to simply insulate yourself from the madness and make money like nowhere else.

That's the bottom line.

 
Old 10-23-2023, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Niceville, FL
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I know an American couple moved to Spain.
The non-working visa option for Spain or Portugal doesn’t require crazy high amounts of assets- you pretty just must have the means to support yourselves for five years- about 200K euros for a couple, IIRC. Private health insurance is about a third of what the cost is in the USA until you’re there long enough to quality for the public option. Quality of care is generally very good unless you have a truly obscure medical condition. And there are all kind of pluses if you’re there long enough to qualify for permanent EU residency status and are then very free to move around the continent.

Quality of life gets high reviews and those countries have a lot to offer.
 
Old 10-23-2023, 07:12 AM
 
Location: Spring Hill, FL
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There's plenty of good countries out there, the grass isn't always greener, but sometimes you have to go and find out yourself.

I moved countries at 21 years old, would consider it again when my kids are fully grown - there's lots of places to see.
 
Old 10-23-2023, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Northwest Houston
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I would only leave the US if things get very severe, which I don’t think will happen anytime soon, and moving to a new county isn’t very realistic for me. If I were to however, I would probably go to Portugal or anywhere else in Southern Europe. Chile & Uruguay seem nice as well.
 
Old 10-23-2023, 07:20 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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If the Biden Administration continues open-border policies through another term, South America just might be an excellent choice for the relocation of disgruntled Americans.
 
Old 10-23-2023, 07:27 AM
 
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As I mentioned in other threads, I would love to move back to Japan but for one thing they don't recognize dual citizenship, and I don't think my Japanese language ability would cut it, plus their work culture. So I'm thinking somewhere in Europe. If money wasn't a object, I'd live in Switzerland.
 
Old 10-23-2023, 07:27 AM
 
Location: Central Mass
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Kid graduates HS in 2026. We're doing vow renewal for our 25th that summer in Western Europe and going to stay there
 
Old 10-23-2023, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Originally Posted by Taggerung View Post
Recently, I have been thinking about hitting the 'eject ' button on the US. Renouncing my citizenship and moving elsewhere. The government is only growing more bloated, corrupt, and tyrannical by the day, the general populace growing more degenerate and dysfunctional by the day, and I do not know how much more of it I can take. The problem is that picking up and moving to another country is a 'reset' of tremendous proportions. I would rather not do it, but if things got bad enough, I would certainly be open to the idea of moving.
American citizenship is very valuable. Why would you give it up? You can live in another country and still be a citizen of the US.
 
Old 10-23-2023, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Western PA
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have a freind who is resigning from the 'service' dec 31 and moving to PR cuz her husband is from there. Being from bolivia, both habla so its a no brainer...but besides being my spanish teacher, is also pushing hard for us to located there upon retirement.



You have to show $3K/mo in income to settle there. you do not qualify for PR based aid if you do not have 18 years working there - which we never will. get away from the coast, and move into the chupacabra infested hills and its quite reasonable and easy living as all PR residents are required to learn english. I asked her since somos log gringos del norte if this would be a problem and they assure us no.


less rebels and cartels than CA and SA to boot...


summer '25 exploratory trip on the books
 
Old 10-23-2023, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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American citizenship is very valuable. Why would you give it up? You can live in another country and still be a citizen of the US.
Yes you can live in another country and still be a US citizen. However you will pay US Income tax on any and all income. Even if you remain abroad for the rest of your life you will pay US income tax. It is a big part of the reason Tina Turner renounced her US citizenship.
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