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Old 11-08-2023, 06:37 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Originally Posted by North Beach Person View Post
Except it's happening:

https://www.columbian.com/news/2023/...on%20announced

“There is power in a name, and some English bird names have associations with the past that continue to be exclusionary and harmful today,” the organization’s president, Colleen Handel, said in a statement..
I have yet to hear any person, no matter how mewling or nerdish, point out what harm is being done by bird names.

Not holding my breath.

Last edited by Roboteer; 11-08-2023 at 06:48 PM..

 
Old 11-08-2023, 07:00 PM
 
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Wrong. Do you even know anything about birds? Clearly you do not. Let's just say I have probably a dozen bird field guides, most of which have been well-used over the years. There are far, far, far more birds named after people than there are birds with some potentially offensive name. That is a fact. That being the case, it will also be a fact that they will change far, far, far more bird names because they are named after some person than they will change bird names because the names are potentially offensive.

Why don't you start perusing the website below and see for yourself:
https://www.allaboutbirds.org/
Great, so basically what you are telling us is that you did not give a darn about what any bird was named 20+ years ago, until today, when I brought it up.

Should the Scientific name also be changed?


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Anas platyrhynchos is the scientific name for the Mallard . Anas, the “genus” is Latin for duck, and indicates that the Mallard is related to other ducks such as the Pintail, Gadwall, and Black Duck.
https://ornithology.com/names/

So, the Scientific name is a lie and therefore should also be changed.
 
Old 11-08-2023, 07:05 PM
 
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There has been pressure to rename the Audubon Society too. Despite John Audubon’s contributions to ornithology, he held racist views and was a slaveholder. The national group hasn’t caved, but several ancillary chapters have changed their name.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...G&opi=89978449
A few Chapters may have “ caved” — but the Membership of the Audubon Society made it clear that the did not agree with this Progress Movement.
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Originally Posted by TMSRetired View Post
They even want the National Audubon Society to rename itself.

Apparently Mr. Audubon owned a slave or two back in the day when it was perfectly legal to do so.
There were Nationwide surveys taken and this entire thing was struck down.

The National Ornithological Society does not Trump (no pun intended) the National Audubon Society or the real Authority World wide for tracking/investigating Birds - Cornell University. Birders have SPOKEN, and I have no doubt they have been heard. These Organizations can’t exist if the Majority of their members (and financial supporters) REJECT this idiotic behavior. Serious Bird Watchers are a LOT more interested in the Preservation of Birds than interested in silly, useless campaigns about “names”.

The Ornithological Society is considered a technical group and has ( i the past) had authority over names if birds. They stand to lose that “authority” when they go Political. Their Membership can’t hold a candle to the other Bird Groups. They are now having problems even getting Local Audubon Groups to sponsor their meetings. This won’t help at all - Audubon & Cornell are about Conservation, not politics.
 
Old 11-08-2023, 07:07 PM
 
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Great, so basically what you are telling us is that you did not give a darn about what any bird was named 20+ years ago, until today, when I brought it up.

Should the Scientific name also be changed?




https://ornithology.com/names/

So, the Scientific name is a lie and therefore should also be changed.
What’s next? All flower and plant names? This is political lunacy.
 
Old 11-08-2023, 07:23 PM
 
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"We've come to understand that there are certain names that have offensive or derogatory connotations that cause pain to people, and that it is important to change those, to remove those as barriers to their participation in the world of birds," she says.
To all the bird geniuses out there....why would the article bring up the quote above if they were changing all the name "just because"?
 
Old 11-08-2023, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Originally Posted by chucksnee View Post
Great, so basically what you are telling us is that you did not give a darn about what any bird was named 20+ years ago, until today, when I brought it up.

Should the Scientific name also be changed?




https://ornithology.com/names/

So, the Scientific name is a lie and therefore should also be changed.
Scientific names of birds and other animals do get changed from time to time.
 
Old 11-08-2023, 07:30 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Originally Posted by James Bond 007 View Post
Scientific names of birds and other animals do get changed from time to time.
Do those scientific names of birds and other animals do any harm to any of them? Or to anything else on the planet? Ever?
 
Old 11-08-2023, 07:39 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Do those scientific names of birds and other animals do any harm to any of them? Or to anything else on the planet? Ever?
No ... but they still occasionally get changed anyway, for various reasons.
 
Old 11-08-2023, 08:05 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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No ... but they still occasionally get changed anyway, for various reasons.
Stupid reasons. Every book in history, recently, is now "incorrect" according to the woke idiots that started it.
 
Old 11-08-2023, 08:14 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Stupid reasons. Every book in history, recently, is now "incorrect" according to the woke idiots that started it.
Ummm ... no.

Nearly every time that scientific names have been changed is because of various reasons that have nothing to do with wokeness or political correctness.

Why do scientific names change?
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Nomenclature:
-Sometimes a species name will change as a result of nomenclatural research, for example, because someone has discovered that there is an older, perfectly valid name, for the same taxon.

Taxonomy:
-Ever since Darwin, the taxonomy of organisms is required to attempt to reflect their phylogeny -- in other words, how organisms are classified is supposed to represent their tree of descent.

Because of this...
- Sometimes it is discovered that a species needs to be moved to another genus, or even to a brand new genus.
- Sometimes a genus is broken up into many genera, as per the sea-snail genus "Conus".
- Sometimes a family is broken up into many families, as per the sea-snail family "Turridae".
- And sometimes they're changed for pretty random reasons. The domestic cat used to be Felis domesticus but is now Felis catus. Not sure why they changed that but somewhere along the lines they just decided catus was more appropriate than domesticus. Maybe that's because cat people know deep down that domestic cats aren't really domesticated!
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