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Maybe parents and the general population could learn from something like that being made public. Maybe we could more quickly recognize the symptoms of someone who is unstable and either attempt to get them help, or something.
If the government keeping this manifesto is sharing it with mental health doctors and the like, maybe it can help someone someday...it could save a life.
Back onto this incident -
Yesterday the news stories quoted a mother, I belief the last name was Jolliff (or similar) who said she was looking for her son Amir after the shooting. He was a sixth grader. Now I see that her quotes appear to have been wiped from the stories. Does anyone know if this was the sixth grader who was killed?
But there is a much bigger thing here and that is the 4th Amendment, freedom from unreasonable search.
We are talking about those notebooks but how to we know about such notebooks before the fact unless some law is broken, such as child pornography, or they are under some condition such as probation? What gives the government the right to go into one's private papers?
Over and over again, there have been cases where "if the fourth amendment means anything" has been applied to limit government overreach (use that phrase in a google search).
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In other words, you object to her being killed by a method that you don't approve of while having no serious objection to her being killed in an automobile accident which is 93 times more likely to happen than her being shot at school.
If you were SERIOUS and RATIONAL about your concerns, you would be much more concerned about the vehicle your daughter rides in than the fact that she is in school several hours a day for about 10 months per year. Have you looked into perhaps purchasing an armored car to drive her to school in or to take her to the movies or shopping?
If you were REALLY concerned and wanted to actually do something significant to reduce her chances of being killed, an armored car would make a lot more sense than home schooling as far as her safety is concerned.
Point taken. lol
However, there are a lot of variables that go into driving safely. I feel I'm a pretty safe driver. I imagine the automobile mortality statistics would vary a lot by driver, the driver's habits, the type of car, the use of restraint system, the location, the speed on the trip, the time of day, etc. The risks in my driving her to and from her school are very low.
Also, you seem to be very focused on me. My 13 yo is more concerned about this. Do you know anything about the rationality of 13 year olds?
However, there are a lot of variables that go into driving safely. I feel I'm a pretty safe driver. I imagine the automobile mortality statistics would vary a lot by driver, the driver's habits, the type of car, the use of restraint system, the location, the speed on the trip, the time of day, etc. The risks in my driving her to and from her school are very low.
Also, you seem to be very focused on me. My 13 yo is more concerned about this. Do you know anything about the rationality of 13 year olds?
1. Even if you are a safe driver, that doesn't make you immune to accidents over which you have no control.
2. I can certainly understand a 13-year-old not being the most rational about certain fears, but judging from what I'm reading, it seems that the apple didn't fall very far from the tree.
EDIT: BTW, I'm not sure how I/we got so far off the topic of the school shooting. I suppose that it was due to your daughter being afraid to go to school and I was just trying to put that fear into perspective.
However, there are a lot of variables that go into driving safely. I feel I'm a pretty safe driver. I imagine the automobile mortality statistics would vary a lot by driver, the driver's habits, the type of car, the use of restraint system, the location, the speed on the trip, the time of day, etc. The risks in my driving her to and from her school are very low.
Also, you seem to be very focused on me. My 13 yo is more concerned about this. Do you know anything about the rationality of 13 year olds?
Not many people make it through life without being in a pretty bad accident. It's just odds. The chance of being in a mass shooting are way less than 1%.
But there is a much bigger thing here and that is the 4th Amendment, freedom from unreasonable search.
We are talking about those notebooks but how to we know about such notebooks before the fact unless some law is broken, such as child pornography, or they are under some condition such as probation? What gives the government the right to go into one's private papers?
Over and over again, there have been cases where "if the fourth amendment means anything" has been applied to limit government overreach (use that phrase in a google search).
I agree with you, but I wonder how much responsibility also belongs to others who might know who don’t say anything? At least one shooter talked about his plan online and no one reported him. In the Michigan case, parents were called to school due to drawings the kid made the morning of the shooting, where he drew a gun and blood and something like “I can’t stop the thoughts”. They told the parents to take him out of school immediately and take him to get psychiatric care, but the parents refused on all counts and a couple of hours later the child did the shooting.
Those parents were charged, because apparently the child actually went to them for help multiple times for mental distress and scary violent thought and the father basically told him to suck it up and deal with it. And then at some point dad bought him a gun.
And ignoring the lgbtq issue saying it has nothing to do with it is just as absurd.
The left has no problem bringing up the LGBQT issue when victims are part of that community. Yet you now want it to be ignored when the shooter is a member of that community?
It’s weird how race and gender and other characteristics are super important until they stop being useful to leftist narratives and then they stop being important at all.
here we have a case of a black kid murdered by a white tranny, and probably only 0.01% of Americans are even aware of that fact.
doesn't fit the narrative.
My dad, a conservative, and generally not a very tolerant/accepting individual, has put a large amount of blame on the school administration. I was surprised at his attitude about this, after having read the comments here. He is actually not focused at all on gender identity. He keyed in on the fact that this shooter had been bullied for years without much being done, and then snapped when his younger sister started getting it. That seems like an issue that you ought to be interested in fixing regardless of politics.
My dad, a conservative, and generally not a very tolerant/accepting individual, has put a large amount of blame on the school administration. I was surprised at his attitude about this, after having read the comments here. He is actually not focused at all on gender identity. He keyed in on the fact that this shooter had been bullied for years without much being done, and then snapped when his younger sister started getting it. That seems like an issue that you ought to be interested in fixing regardless of politics.
This^^ . Dylan was bullied for many years and kids were starting to bully his younger sister as stated by other students who knew them. They said that the school did nothing about it and Dylan must have snapped.
(A statement today by Dylan’s parents below)
“Now, Butler’s parents have released a statement expressing their grief and sorrow during this difficult time.
You can read their full statement below:
As the minutes and hours have passed since the horrors our son Dylan inflicted on the victims, the Perry School and the community, we have been trying to make sense out of the senseless. We are simply devastated and our grief for the deceased, his family, the wounded and their families is immeasurable.
When we dropped off our son for school on January 4th, we had no inkling he intended the horrible violence he was about to inflict. On the way to school Dylan had been discussing with us of future plans and it felt like he was ready to get back to school after Christmas vacation and the start of a new semester. Dylan’s sister, our daughter, was in the school at the time of the shooting. We simply do not understand how this could happen and why Dylan chose to do what he did.
Perry is our home and beloved community. We would never wish the harm and pain that Dylan’s actions caused on anyone and we could not have imagined that Dylan would carry out such a heinous act. Our family has to mourn and bury our son, and live with this terrible legacy.
We cannot repay the grace we have been shown in public and private. We are helping authorities and will continue to help to provide answers to the question of why our son committed this senseless crime. Through God’s grace we hope the answers can be found and that those answers will prevent other young people from harming others.
At this time, our family will have no further comment.”
This^^ . Dylan was bullied for many years and kids were starting to bully his younger sister as stated by other students who knew them. They said that the school did nothing about it and Dylan must have snapped.
(A statement today by Dylan’s parents below)
“Now, Butler’s parents have released a statement expressing their grief and sorrow during this difficult time.
You can read their full statement below:
As the minutes and hours have passed since the horrors our son Dylan inflicted on the victims, the Perry School and the community, we have been trying to make sense out of the senseless. We are simply devastated and our grief for the deceased, his family, the wounded and their families is immeasurable.
When we dropped off our son for school on January 4th, we had no inkling he intended the horrible violence he was about to inflict. On the way to school Dylan had been discussing with us of future plans and it felt like he was ready to get back to school after Christmas vacation and the start of a new semester. Dylan’s sister, our daughter, was in the school at the time of the shooting. We simply do not understand how this could happen and why Dylan chose to do what he did.
Perry is our home and beloved community. We would never wish the harm and pain that Dylan’s actions caused on anyone and we could not have imagined that Dylan would carry out such a heinous act. Our family has to mourn and bury our son, and live with this terrible legacy.
We cannot repay the grace we have been shown in public and private. We are helping authorities and will continue to help to provide answers to the question of why our son committed this senseless crime. Through God’s grace we hope the answers can be found and that those answers will prevent other young people from harming others.
At this time, our family will have no further comment.”
Nice statement. Glad to see they retained attorneys to help them with damage control before they get sued.
If they contributed to the statement, then the mention of "God's grace" will surely be seized upon by Marxists/Democrats as proof that they were awful parents and bigots who drove this killer to do what he (?) did.
tragically, perry high school Iowa principal dan marburger has succumbed to his injuries sustained from gunshot wounds when the trans shooter shot up his school.
dan reportedly stood in harm's way and distracted the shooter while students escaped.
RIP to this hero.
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