Tony Blinken demands statehood for Palestine (highway, borders, solutions, 9/11)
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Again, call it what you want. But if the Palestinians were to be transferred, it's not because of their ethnic group. It's because they have amply demonstrated that they are not willing to live side-by-side with Israel in peace.
So based on someone's ethnic group, you can stereotype them and move them around? Got it. Like I said, don't count yourself among civilized people.
So based on someone's ethnic group, you can stereotype them and move them around? Got it. Like I said, don't count yourself among civilized people.
Tell me that you didn't read the post you quoted, without saying that you didn't read the post you quoted. I specifically said that if the Palestinians were to be transferred, the reason is NOT because of their ethnic group. Yet here you are, responding about "based on someone's ethnic group."
You should read up on the history of population transfers in the aftermath of World War II. Germans in various countries were forcibly expelled from those countries after the war. Why? Because they had fomented constant trouble and had destabilized the places where they lived and had supported their fellow German invaders. They were a constant nuisance and a source of instability. They absolutely deserved to get kicked out, and the countries that kicked them out found themselves with much greater internal peace and harmony after they were gone.
Trouble was, they (the countries surrounding Germany) didn't just kick them (the Germans) out. They attacked them and stole from them and persecuted them and inflicted lots of pain and misery on them. Whether or not they deserved it, the fact is that the "civilized" world looked on and was repulsed by the savagery that accompanied their expulsions. That's why population transfer (or ethnic cleansing, if you prefer) was made illegal under international law. It's a messy process that pays dividends in the end, but the way it was handled went beyond what the international community was willing to accept.
I don't know if it would be possible for the Palestinians to be removed in a humane way. But if it is, I contend that they should be removed, for the greater good of peace in the Middle East. And I stand by that opinion, whether or not by holding it I must be excluded from the ranks of the civilized.
Sure give them a state. They’ll attack again and that will be the end of Palestinians.
I was thinking the same thing.
Give them a State proper, recognized and under international and UN law.
Then, there would be more pressure on them to 'behave' as lobbing rockets into Israel could certainly garner an allied response.
It is almost like a 'be careful what you wish for' thing for them. Do they want US bases and Burger King in Gaza?
I think any talk of Statehood should come with a declaration from them And Iran, that recognizes the State of Israel and it's right to exist there. That should guarantee it never happens
We've been tying the two state solution for 50+ years and it hasn't worked. The two state solution is dead. Time to send them all packing to other Arab countries, or maybe they can all live in the West Bank.
There has been no Two State Solution. Slowly the Israeli settlements on the West Bank have been destroying that possibility. Sending Palestinians packing is not a solution, it is akin to what the Jews underwent in Europe in the 1930's. Israel needs to live within its recognized borders and to withdraw from the West Bank. The current government has only exasperated the problem by kowtowing to the right wing fanatics.
There has been no Two State Solution. Slowly the Israeli settlements on the West Bank have been destroying that possibility. Sending Palestinians packing is not a solution, it is akin to what the Jews underwent in Europe in the 1930's. Israel needs to live within its recognized borders and to withdraw from the West Bank. The current government has only exasperated the problem by kowtowing to the right wing fanatics.
Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip in 2005. Uprooted the settlers, told them to pack up and get out. Various pieces of infrastructure, such as greenhouses, were left behind for the Palestinians to use. How did that work out for them? Why do you think that withdrawing from the West Bank would lead to a better outcome?
And by the way, comparing the hypothetical removal of Palestinians to what the Jews endured in Europe in the 1930s is not only offensive, it's completely inaccurate. The Jews of Europe were not trying to overthrow the German government or committing terrorist acts against German civilians. They wanted nothing more than to peacefully live their lives. Can the same be said of the Palestinians? October 7th is the answer to that question.
Tell me that you didn't read the post you quoted, without saying that you didn't read the post you quoted. I specifically said that if the Palestinians were to be transferred, the reason is NOT because of their ethnic group.
Interesting, so how do you transfer a whole ethnic group of people based on ethnicity alone? Are all Palestinians guilty due to the actions of a few? I'm sorry, what you're saying makes no sense. If your only criteria to transfer someone out of their home is their ethnic group because certain individuals from the same ethnic group did terrible things then that's ethnic cleansing, is wrong, and removes you from the conversation of civilized peoples.
Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip in 2005. Uprooted the settlers, told them to pack up and get out. Various pieces of infrastructure, such as greenhouses, were left behind for the Palestinians to use. How did that work out for them? Why do you think that withdrawing from the West Bank would lead to a better outcome?
We're talking about a state here. Gaza never was allowed to become a state. Israel controlled all borders (yes, even Rafa), airspace, had complete say on imports/exports and movements of people, controlled the population registry, and even the territorial waters. At one point, you could only fish 3km off the coast of Gaza, and that was with a permit issued by the Israeli government.
But we do have good precedence for what a state would look like. It's called Jordan or Egypt. Palestinians are ethnically similar to Jordanians and some Egyptians. And right now, both countries are in peace with Israel with no terrorist attacks. Many Israeli's regularly take vacations to Jordan to visit Petra without fear.
Blinken is right. There are only two hopes for peace in Israel and for the Jews in Israel. One is to commit an atrocity (ethnically cleansing Gaza and eventually the West Bank of Palestinians) or creating a true state for the Palestinians. One where Palestinians can control their own destiny, borders, air space, and be a party to UN conventions. We need to get to a two state solution, and for that both Hamas and much of the current Israeli government needs to go.
What is wrong with you that you think you can blame an entire ethnic group for the actions of a few people?
The only people guilty of October 7th are those who participated. Not all 2+ million Gazans are guilty.
85% of Gazans laud the atrocities of 10/7:
An overwhelming majority of Palestinians, both in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, expressed their support for the Hamas massacre on Oct. 7, a poll by Arab World for Research and Development (AWRAD) found.
In its most revealing find, 85% of those polled support the "October 7 attacks" either strongly or at least somewhat.
75% want a Hamas government.
This confirms the results of a poll taken in 2021 by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research regarding support for Hamas.
Hamas and Gaza are one.
Here's another one that the main stream media won't report:
One hostage escaped. He asked some Gazans for help.
They immediately returned him to the hands of the terrorists.
Look up Roni Krivoi
Gaza and Hamas are one.
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