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Old 01-28-2024, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Ah, the 'M' word, used mistakenly anytime anyone points out simple sociological and biological facts.
She's a well established misandrist... the M&M's of gender haters.
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Old 01-28-2024, 11:07 AM
 
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Hard times
Create strong men
Strong men
Create strong countries
Strong countries
Create good life
Good life
Creates weak men
Weak men
Create weak countries
Weak countries
Create hard times
See line one.

Been like this forever.
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Old 01-28-2024, 11:23 AM
 
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There is a rift in American society between people who are decent, hard-working and law-biding and people who are irresponsible, delinquent and prone to criminal behavior.

Americans who are in the former group try to avoid and generally don't want to deal with those who are in the latter group.

That is why there is segregation in terms of class and education in American society.
That rift has been there forever. It exists on every level of society. It exists within every race and ethnicity. There is a good reason the Black middle class (and the middle class of every other group) tries to stay away from neighborhoods where irresponsible and criminal behavior run amok.

Here is the point I'm trying to bring home. The big difference between back then and now is that the criminal class and the underclass, they're harder to scare. It used to be that the hard working and law-abiding (or at the very least, those who try) could at least levy some kind of shame towards the criminal class, the delinquent class. The middle and upper classes definitely had some power, some ability to tell the delinquent class "You want to live around us, you better behave, or else". It should be that shame and guilt help to curb criminal/delinquent behavior just as well as prison would. In some cases, this has been the case. In many cases, neither shame, guilt, or the fear of a prison sentence/death penalty have been especially effective.

And that is where we are. The deviant behavior has always been there. And there have always been consequences for it. However, over the past several decades, consequences no longer scare the delinquent class. The delinquent class should be scared of being shamed and shunned. Instead, many among the delinquent class take pride on going to prison. Many among the delinquent class have given polite society the middle finger. They've given morals and values the middle finger. And now, that nasty, delinquent behavior has grown to be commoditized.

We talk about declining standards. We need to talk about how some people have literally launched a rebellion against standards.
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Old 01-28-2024, 12:44 PM
 
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This has to be the most amazing citation I've seen yet.
It is an amazing social commentary, and I have no idea if Chuck Lorre intended it or not.
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Old 01-28-2024, 06:27 PM
 
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Has anyone else noticed that there’s just been a broad lowering of standards for everything in life from etiquette, to education, to what employers put up with, to how parents parent, etc. No one gives a crap anymore. Americas competitive spirit is dead. This will not end well. This is what happened in Brazil and it turned into a very dangerous poverty stricken country. The lowering of standards will equate to lower quality of life for all of us.

Is it even possible to ever bring back standards now? In a sense maybe a recession would help?
It's not a lowering of standards. It's an ignoring of standards. We still have standards. What we have are individuals rebelling against them.There are still plenty of competitors in America. I should know. I have had to compete for pretty much every job I've ever gotten.

And bringing up Brazil isn't a good idea. Brazil has been poor and crime-ridden for a very long time. It got that way because of how it was founded. It was basically a slave colony until 1888, and the government, whether liberals ran it or conservatives ran it, never did enough to help the people there.
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Old 01-28-2024, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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I think it is due to a lack of self-respect. Socialism destroys self-respect and replaces it with social-respect. A persons value of themself must be diminished and they must value the greater good. As a result, people lower the standards they set for themselves and raise the standards of society, which the government is expected to provide for and enforce. Unfortunately, society doesn't get better because it is composed of self-loathing losers.

On the other hand, under capitalism, people are expected to be the best they can be. The more they better themselves, the more they achieve. If everyone does this, society as a whole gets better. The only ones that suffer are the avowed socialists.
From what I see is the youth watches the adults and the blatant hypocrisy. What WWW did, was show them that they are not alone. In my day what went on in the house stayed in the house. Denial and silence was 101.
As for etiquete- we allowed the rounchiness on TV, music and movies. We let it happen. Is there an FCC anymore? And when that senator yelled “ liar” in our State of the Union Address at Obama- all loud in front of the entire planet, my kids gasped. I said, well, that’s that, Decorum is dead and the kraken is lose. The kids ran with it.
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Old 01-28-2024, 08:42 PM
 
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You and I both know that the softening of K-12, fewer test in schools, the drive to eliminate standardized testing, math is racist, correct answers don't matter and on an on are not about helping anyone learn. The game is to equalize outcomes. And that is 100% about lowering standards.
I believe this is what is going on and agree one hundred percent. The success and personal growth of higher achieving students is being sacrificed so that leadership can claim they solved the huge performance divide between whites / Asians and blacks. However this strategy will only serve to further damage or even destroy society.
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Old 02-04-2024, 07:45 AM
 
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Because they don't want to get beaten up or shot to death just for saying "can you stop xx"
In the business arena that would be a "micro aggression" and you'd get fired.

So, people want to keep their jobs and stay alive.

That is why no one says anything these days.
Some of those who would kill, they don't value anyone's lives, not even their own lives.
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Old 02-04-2024, 10:30 AM
 
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I believe this is what is going on and agree one hundred percent. The success and personal growth of higher achieving students is being sacrificed so that leadership can claim they solved the huge performance divide between whites / Asians and blacks. However this strategy will only serve to further damage or even destroy society.
It's not to "improve race relations," although that's the excuse they give. It's part of a larger effort to destroy the U.S. as we know it.
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Old 02-10-2024, 07:32 PM
 
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From what I see is the youth watches the adults and the blatant hypocrisy. What WWW did, was show them that they are not alone. In my day what went on in the house stayed in the house. Denial and silence was 101.
As for etiquete- we allowed the rounchiness on TV, music and movies. We let it happen. Is there an FCC anymore? And when that senator yelled “ liar” in our State of the Union Address at Obama- all loud in front of the entire planet, my kids gasped. I said, well, that’s that, Decorum is dead and the kraken is lose. The kids ran with it.
In many cases, youths have been seeing adults behave badly for decades. If you lived in the ghettos during the 1950s and 60s, you say plenty of adults behaving badly, all the way up to violence.

These days, yes, we allow the raunchiness on TV. It has been getting bad for ages.
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