Why do Democrats not see the downside of open boders? (Israel, illegal aliens)
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I believe this is the end result of identity politics that have infiltrated the leftist psyche. White liberal guilt, TDS, whatever you want to call it - they are examples of irrationality and I believe this is due to innate desire to protect the liberal identity. They have to protect their identity, at all costs, to avoid being labeled a "...phobe" - consequences be damned. They are so open to anything because having boundaries or being closed to something means they are some form of phobe. Its why you can trans men in drag in front of little kids in schools and they condone it. Liberals are mental mush as a result - there is no reality, because recognizing constraints of reality would set boundaries and make them phobic.
-phobe
word-forming element meaning "one who dreads, fears, or hates," from French -phobe, from Latin -phobus, from Greek -phobos "fearing," from phobos "fear, panic, flight," phobein "put to flight, frighten"
Just another thread of reps talking about what they think dem believe. Anyway, can you define "open border" to me? We have a border. We have border patrol there. They process people who cross the border. Tourists and business people with documentation can cross the border. Others get apprehended and processed. When you say "open border" it sounds like there is nothing there and that is not the case. When you say you want to close the border, it sounds like you don't want any cross border traffic at all, not even tourists or produce trucks. I know it's a word game that reps play and it's pretty effective. We need immigration reform and we need better, faster processing, which costs money, but reps won't pass that while we have a dem president. Seeking asylum is legal. It's ridiculous that it takes years to get court date to determine if that asylum should be granted, but legally they have a right to ask and to be considered for it. If the politics and optics could be removed, both sides would probably agree more than you think.
Democrats see the open borders and sinking poll numbers and just calculate how many new voter ballots they need to print to “overcome” voter enthusiasm.
This is it in a nutshell. Democrats only care about political victory. They aren't concerned with what's good for America, they only care about what's good for themselves.
This is why we see left wing deflections regarding government "workers": As long as the democrats can keep taxes high and the middle class powerless they can do whatever they want within our governmental systems that will ensure their continued power grab.
But hey don't take my word for it. Just read the gaslighting talking points spewed by the leftists on this platform. They preface their gaslighting nonsense by phrases such as "seems like" and "I feel" and "the optics" and "sounds like" etc etc
The best explanation I can come up, to the OP topic, with is that the Democrats and liberals have, over the years, campaigned on a platform of "compassion." Compassion is great as long as someone else is paying. When you are the official on whom the responsibility of paying is dumped, you may be under a lot of stress.
Just another thread of reps talking about what they think dem believe. Anyway, can you define "open border" to me? We have a border. We have border patrol there. They process people who cross the border. Tourists and business people with documentation can cross the border. Others get apprehended and processed. When you say "open border" it sounds like there is nothing there and that is not the case. When you say you want to close the border, it sounds like you don't want any cross border traffic at all, not even tourists or produce trucks. I know it's a word game that reps play and it's pretty effective. We need immigration reform and we need better, faster processing, which costs money, but reps won't pass that while we have a dem president. Seeking asylum is legal. It's ridiculous that it takes years to get court date to determine if that asylum should be granted, but legally they have a right to ask and to be considered for it. If the politics and optics could be removed, both sides would probably agree more than you think.
Why is Border Parol, under the direction of Alejandro Mayorkas, cutting holes in some of the barriers and/or leaving gates open, in order to allow illegal aliens to pass through? Is that not an open border? Why are Democrats OK with this?
And no, we shouldn’t simply “process these people faster,” instead we should be removing incentives to come to the US illegally in the first place. So far instead of doing that, Democrats are only increasing incentives, as seen in New York City most recently with the taxpayer-funded prepaid credit cards and in Denver with the taxpayer-funded hotel rooms.
Excuse me if this has been discussed as I couldn't find it but found this youtube video as well as reports about this incident and many others. I don't understand the rational of some Democrats who support open borders. These incidents shouldn't have happened but can happen to anyone or their families no matter your political affiliation.
Well, let's start off with the device you used to post your question. Where did it come from?
Next let's make an inventory of all the things in your house that were imported. Quite a lot of things.
In the short term, closed borders would be pandemonium. In the longer term much of that stuff could be made in the US again albeit it at higher cost.
So let's take higher cost for a minute. Reflect back on all the whining about inflation and then realize that real wages have increased since COVID. American workers got big COVID raises when Trump injected trillions of welfare into the economy and expanded the M2 and then Biden kept his foot on the gas. But in economics we have that old saying, There is no such thing as free lunch. It isn't possible to just make the country more prosperous by injecting trillions of welfare and expanding the money supply. Inflation followed, dropping everyone's real purchasing power back down to just about what it was before Trump injected the welfare and expanded M2. The average American didn't lose any purchasing power since they got big COVID raises but they didn't gain much either. That would not be the case with closing borders. There would be a real reduction in standard of living.
Moving on to why Republicans politicians like illegals and grand them mass amnesty, it's because their constituents like illegals as they are cheap labor. All constituents aren't created equal and the businesses that like to hire illegals count for more than average Joe and Jane voter. Consider that when Republicans controlled the government just a few years ago and could have done something about immigration they chose not to. As much as both parties have spent the last 40+ years hemming and hollering about them illegals since Reagan did amnesty, they never do anything. That could possibly change if the Republicans were to regain control of the government like they had a few years ago. Or it might just be more hemming and hawing. Democrats on the other hand don't show much interest in doing anything about it. Perhaps they see it as a temporary surge and there's no reason to make big changes to try and prevent cheap labor flowing intot he country if the numbers go back down on their own.
Few people actually want closed borders. They want conditionally open or controlled borders. So why haven't the conditions and controlled borders worked for since before Republicans did mass amnesty? See above. Both parties want a healthy number of illegals as cheap labor. Right now many would argue there's too many and yet there's no legislation doing anything about it. Congress gave the President the power to handle it. If they're unsatisfied with the job they can just as easily take it back or modify those powers.
Kind of beginning to now happen. But also Trump is telling everyone to reject it. Hemming and hawing. He thinks open borders is a good campaign strategy.
Last edited by Malloric; 02-07-2024 at 09:46 AM..
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