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Ok folks. Questions
1. Who remembers what they were doing on Feb 9 - 40 years ago ? 10 years ago? last year ?
2. Are these folks who submitted the Hur report, medical or psychological doctors ?
3. Who here knows what a “custodian of records” is?
4. WHO here knows who files, transfers or archive all the massive paperwork politicians have to handle ?
5. Who has ever handled classified documents? Or know the rules.
The investigation really couldn’t prove much. I saw negligence in his staff but not willful improper conduct. Reason- he stayed in office, and he could request the records anytime.
Biden is old as dirt, so is Trump. Until we cap age for all candidates and place term limits, we will have to live with it. If they can prove dementia etc medically. Then so be it.
Regarding the highlighted, here is the 25th full text...
...that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office.
The 25th does not even have an outline of what constitutes inability to perform the duties and responsibilities of the office. Whether on purpose or accident, that gives us flexibility on determining when a president is "...unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office."
And we, meaning the public, is fully capable of making that determination.
There is the cliff and the slope.
When Raygun was shot, then hospitalized, we did not need to debate, medical or else, that Raygun is "...unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office." That was a drop of the cliff.
That is not with dementia. The mental decline is a slope. We see a little bit of evidence here, then another bit of evidence there. There are more people experienced with mental decline than there are who suffered shootings. Collectively, the public is more conscious of who is in mental decline than who is more likely to be shot. Another thing is that Raygun recovered but dementia is assured, meaning once a person has it, there is no return. We can delay the inevitable, but at this time, we cannot prevent it. An assassin's bullet is external. Dementia is internal. We can effectively protect the president from an assassin, but not against dementia. An assassin's bullet can be an immediate death, but dementia is long term pain and suffering, for both president and country.
So how long, meaning how many more bits of evidence, that we must put up with seeing, of Joe Biden's mental decline before we say there is a pattern towards that inability to discharge the powers and duties of the office? That only when a major crisis that Biden say/do something that make the matter worse? National is bad enough, but do we have to wait until seeing something global that Biden's mental decline affects?
We do not need a medical diagnosis, just that terrible Jan 8th press conference is enough, after a string of evidences, to invoke the 25th. Joe Biden should leave, whether by resignation or procedurally removed. We will take our chances with Kamala Harris.
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I’m glad you mentioned The SCIF because nothing walks in or out of there that is national security or highly secret or classified info. Period ! Just because it’s considered classified- doesn’t put it in a high security level.
These folks get files etc., but it’s up to the custodian of records to track and keep tabs on them. I know what I’m talking about.
Anytime anyone moves out of the office or transfers out, those records are supposed to be tracked. And there’s the national archives doing their inspections or internal inventories, I think yearly.
Ultimately he’s responsible, but govt staff failed at many levels.
Unless the person walking the documents around is Sandy Berger.
Anyway:
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Our ruling
Fitzpatrick said, "Classified documents can never be taken out of a (sensitive compartmented information facility), ever."
This is exaggerated. SCIFs must be used when documents with the highest-level classifications have to be reviewed. But even the most highly classified documents can be taken out of a SCIF, as long as specific precautions are taken that ensure similar levels of security.
In addition, it’s not required that documents with lower levels of classifications be viewed in a SCIF in the first place.
Fitzpatrick’s statement is partially accurate but leaves out important details.
Government agencies reviewed Biden’s documents, and the special counsel report detailed each document’s original classification markings and the classifications after review. Some classifications were lowered; other documents that weren’t originally marked top secret were given a top secret classification.
*The report lists at least 18 documents that originally had "top secret" classification markings. Thirteen of those continued having "top secret" classification after the review.
*Five documents received "top secret" classification after the review.
*The classification of five documents that originally had "top secret" markings were lowered after review.
The special counsel noted another issue with notebooks Biden had that were filled with handwritten notes. The special counsel reviewed the notes and added some classification markings. Twelve of those handwritten notes included "top secret" information.
...Some of the documents Biden possessed, for example included "TS/SCI" markings, meaning top secret/sensitive compartmented information.
To see that information, someone would need top secret security clearance and have additional approval to access "sensitive compartmented information."
Our ruling
Biden said "none" of the classified documents found in his possession "was high classified."
There’s no legal definition for a document that is "high classified." However, according to the special counsel report, Biden possessed multiple documents with "top secret" markings, the highest classification level.
By definition, those top secret markings likely constituted information that was highly classified, experts told PolitiFact. That is the highest level of national security clearance.
But wasn't he a Senator (and/or VP) when he took the classified documents? He couldn't have been senile then. How does one explain that? Aren't there dates on the documents that would give his exact age?
It's increasingly horrible to watch Biden, and although I have never much cared for Biden or his politics and foreign policy there is something deeply sad and troubling watching a person struggle on in such circumstances, when the kinder thing to do would be to gentle tell them that they need to step down.
I would have more respect for those around Biden if they actually did this, as it's not even funny any more it's just sad and increasingly embarrassing, and there is no way that Biden can see this term out and then do another four additional years.
The only reason that this is being allowed to happen is because the Democrats seem to have few popular credible alternatives to Biden, and it therefore looks increasingly like Trump will be the next President, and even if Trump were to be prevented from running, I still don't think Biden/Hayley will win the election come November.
He resigned. Granted, he was facing impeachment and likely conviction, but he resigned.
Biden and the White House lawyers and staff should realize that Biden was let off the hook, even though his waning memory was officially mentioned. For what he did, a regular run-of-the-mill civil servant or contractor with a clearance would go to jail.
But wasn't he a Senator (and/or VP) when he took the classified documents? He couldn't have been senile then. How does one explain that? Aren't there dates on the documents that would give his exact age?
Sure, but the point is that he's too senile to stand trial today. At least, allegedly.
They point out that when he did all of this, he broke the law willfully.
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