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Old 02-14-2024, 04:44 PM
 
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Kamala wants equal outcomes.

She won't get them without cheating, as democrats are wont to do.

Aside from that it sounds like Affirmative Action which had been tried and largely judged to be a failure.
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Old 02-14-2024, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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I interpret it differently. It's about helping people with who come from disadvantaged situations have the same opportunity for success or safety that others who already possess more resources and protections don't have to be concerned about. I feel certain that MLK would not object.

The government has been "helping" in one way or another since LBJ's "Great Society" social experiment. The results have been the destruction of the family unit, far more children being born out of wedlock/raised in single family households, etc. The results are in... Mr Ronald Reagan had it right. "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help."


And don't get me started on all the foolish ways democrats are trying to "help" in modern times... The results have been getting worse at an exponential rate, much like our nation's debt situation. It really does seem like the more money the government spends, the more broken our society becomes.
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Old 02-14-2024, 04:55 PM
 
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Equal opportunity is good enough. Equal outcomes would be the death of the nation, because that means standards are lowered, or unqualified people are given preferential treatment.

Our adversaries certainly aren’t spending time and money on equal outcomes.
It's already happening, my friend.

Husband worked in very specialized, technical job for which there were not many qualified people. Every time he was going to hire someone to backfill a position, he was told must be a woman. That wasn't THAT hard. But then he was told a black woman. THAT was hard. He had to pass over extremely smart, qualified white men to hire a woman that didn't exist. So the jobs didn't get filled and the heavy work load was redistributed among the existing team.
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Old 02-14-2024, 05:14 PM
 
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It's already happening, my friend.

Husband worked in very specialized, technical job for which there were not many qualified people. Every time he was going to hire someone to backfill a position, he was told must be a woman. That wasn't THAT hard. But then he was told a black woman. THAT was hard. He had to pass over extremely smart, qualified white men to hire a woman that didn't exist. So the jobs didn't get filled and the heavy work load was redistributed among the existing team.
Had a very similar situation, back during the lawsuits that the NAACP filed against a lot of the tech companies.

We were in a holding pattern because we could not offer one of the dozen candidates we had for a very technical engineering gig. We were fairly anxious to get the position filled, because it was causing a delay on several large deals. This was the very, very early days of DEI. The word came down from the top of the mountain that the hire needed to be a black female.

One small problem............we had ZERO resumes from black females.

Black females comprise roughly 6.5% of the population. But technically-educated black females are MAYBE --- and I do mean maybe --- .005% of the population. 20 weeks later, working through dozens of recruiters, the only 2 black females we could find to interview were entry-level engineers, and that's being exceptionally generous. It took another 16 weeks to eventually fill the job with someone who fit the "identity" the company was after, but definitely did not fit the talent needed. A month later, I decided that I had had enough, and left the company. Not shockingly, the stench of DEI still hangs over the company, and lots of talented people have departed.

The empty vessel that we call Kamala is just parroting the embarrassing talking points of identity politics that the Democrats obsess over. There is NO SUCH THING as equal outcomes, and honestly, there never has been.
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Old 02-14-2024, 05:18 PM
 
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Kamala wants equal outcomes.

She is the example of an underqualified person in a great position of power (wishing to help others along of her ilk) to make this country less than what ii should be, and certainly less capable than it can be.
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Old 02-14-2024, 05:24 PM
 
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Kamala Harris is the walking definition of “equal outcomes”

She got boosted into the second most powerful position in the country (and possibly the #1 position on earth if Biden gets the 25th’ed) all because she is a colored woman
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Old 02-14-2024, 05:25 PM
 
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Kamala Harris is the walking definition of “equal outcomes”

She got boosted into the second most powerful position in the country (and possibly the #1 position on earth if Biden gets the 25th’ed) all because she is a colored woman
"Colored?"

Holy 1963, Batman!
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Old 02-14-2024, 05:28 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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I interpret it differently. It's about helping people with who come from disadvantaged situations have the same opportunity for success or safety that others who already possess more resources and protections don't have to be concerned about. I feel certain that MLK would not object.
That would be equal opportunity which we have today.

Equal outcome though...that's a horse of a different color.
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Old 02-14-2024, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Cali
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"Colored?"

Holy 1963, Batman!
It’s black history month, bro
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Old 02-14-2024, 05:32 PM
 
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The government has been "helping" in one way or another since LBJ's "Great Society" social experiment. The results have been the destruction of the family unit, far more children being born out of wedlock/raised in single family households, etc. The results are in... Mr Ronald Reagan had it right. "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help."
I mean, we could go back as far as the abandoned Reconstruction Era...but closer to LBJ, we can also look at post-WWII when the GI Bill and suburban housing were off-limits to Blacks who were already being redlined in the cities. We could also look at White suburban flight as well as the automation and offshoring of manufacturing jobs. To the point that the latter also affected White blue-collar workers, the effect on Black and Brown laborers who were more likely to depend on those jobs was even more profound.

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And don't get me started on all the foolish ways democrats are trying to "help" in modern times... The results have been getting worse at an exponential rate, much like our nation's debt situation. It really does seem like the more money the government spends, the more broken our society becomes.
A bipartisan effort is needed, I would agree. Unfortunately, one party's solution is to scapegoat people of color as "the problem"; that's why they rarely win in urban cities and counties.
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