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At the start of the war Russia offered Ukraine the following peace deal:
1, Ukraine can join any economic alliance it wants including the European Union.
2, Ukraine can not join military alliances like NATO.
3, Ukraine could not allow foreign military bases and equipment on to its soil (it already had 12 CIA bases right in the Russian border since 2014 per the NYT).
4, Ukraine would have to limit its military to an amount similar to what it already had.
5, Ukraine would have to admit Crimea was Russian.
6, Russia would take no land outside of Crimea which was already gone.
7, Ukraine could not outlaw the Russian language and it would be protected.
These peace terms were rejected, some Ukrainian sources said Ukraine was willing to agree, but were talked out of it.
Since then the war has been going on for more than 2 years. Over 10 million Ukrainians are missing. The US has given not just weapons, but financial support like guaranteeing Ukrainian pensions in full. Some say close to half a million Ukrainians are dead from the war with many more severely wounded. Much of Ukraine's infrastructure is smashed.
As far as Crimea goes, even Brack Obama said many felt that it was Russian and not bad that Russia took it back.
As far as Ukraine not being able to join NATO, it's not much different than what the US does to other countries including Biden to Cuba or Syria.
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Was it worth rejecting this peace deal?
At this point, Russia is likely to take more than just Crimea and much of Ukraine will have devastation. Some Americans cheer it on like a football game and Senator Graham says we'll fight Russia to the last Ukrainian.
The stated goals of the U.S. and NATO are to weaken and ultimately destroy the Russian economy and trigger a regime change. Why would they want a treaty that prevents them from achieving these goals? NATO is a giant war machine that needs something to spend its money on. A proxy war with Ukrainians as the stooges is better than nothing.
Yes, Russia would like their neighbors rich and defenseless. We know. That is, of course, assuming they'd uphold their end of the deal - which is a bit of a joke at this point.
If Ukraine is to be considered a nation, they can form their own foreign policy. End of story.
Last edited by Dane_in_LA; 03-24-2024 at 11:39 AM..
I have technical questions:
1) did the 4 primitives, "recruited via Telegram" have military training?
Because they came to taxi, but suddenly they know how to shoot from an AK, change magazines in a stressful situation, they behave like a military organized group and not like 4ria amateurs.
So an absurd official explanation.
2) they have known each other for 10 days, but do they work in an organized, planned manner? Those are great Tajik killers. Killers from birth, no training needed, killers of extra levels.
So an absurd official explanation.
3) go and shoot a lot of people - almost no one can do that, they train such people for a long time, they brainwash them, and they are certainly not looking for them on Telegram, because if the organizer of such a terrorist attack is looking for random people on Telegram, then the organizer is a well-rounded moron with a pissed off head, because cannot expect the desired result with unknown Telegram fools.
As the result was, the organizer certainly did not count on the fact that 4 random primitives from Telegram would achieve this result.
So the plan was different, not based on 4 random primitives from Telegram
So an absurd official explanation.
4) psychological training of such great Telegram killers is not needed, we find 4 random ones on Telegram, and they kill anyone we show them in 10 days.
So an absurd official explanation.
5) they gave them the address, come here to Crocus, shoot them here?
No attack practice, no escape practice, come here to get your weapons and attack here. Here is the address, here you attack. Enter the building, go to the right, there is a big door, enter, shoot.
So an absurd official explanation.
Someone started fires, it was definitely prepared before the attack, the whole official version is lame on all four legs.
At the start of the war Russia offered Ukraine the following peace deal:
1, Ukraine can join any economic alliance it wants including the European Union.
2, Ukraine can not join military alliances like NATO.
3, Ukraine could not allow foreign military bases and equipment on to its soil (it already had 12 CIA bases right in the Russian border since 2014 per the NYT).
4, Ukraine would have to limit its military to an amount similar to what it already had.
5, Ukraine would have to admit Crimea was Russian.
6, Russia would take no land outside of Crimea which was already gone.
7, Ukraine could not outlaw the Russian language and it would be protected.
These peace terms were rejected, some Ukrainian sources said Ukraine was willing to agree, but were talked out of it.
Since then the war has been going on for more than 2 years. Over 10 million Ukrainians are missing. The US has given not just weapons, but financial support like guaranteeing Ukrainian pensions in full. Some say close to half a million Ukrainians are dead from the war with many more severely wounded. Much of Ukraine's infrastructure is smashed.
As far as Crimea goes, even Brack Obama said many felt that it was Russian and not bad that Russia took it back.
As far as Ukraine not being able to join NATO, it's not much different than what the US does to other countries including Biden to Cuba or Syria.
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Was it worth rejecting this peace deal?
At this point, Russia is likely to take more than just Crimea and much of Ukraine will have devastation. Some Americans cheer it on like a football game and Senator Graham says we'll fight Russia to the last Ukrainian.
Since NATO countries are just USING Ukrainians, without any desire to commit THEIR men to die for "freedom and democracy" that Ukraine supposedly represents, this was probably a reasonable offer.
Yes, Russia would like their neighbors rich and defenseless. We know. That is, of course, assuming they'd uphold their end of the deal - which is a bit of a joke at this point.
If Ukraine is to be considered a nation, they can form their own foreign policy. End of story.
The US does that all the time, do we not?
The US tells countries who can and can't have foreign military bases in their country.
The US tells countries that we can have foreign military bases in their country against their will.
The US puts economic sanctions on other countries for trivial things like internal domestic policies.
Is this why so much of the world sees the US as hypocrites?
make Putin dead..kick all Russians out the Donbas and Crimea..and then and only then we should shove democracy so far up their ass they will ****ting red white and blue American flags instead of the white blue and red Russian flags..
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