Are You For or Against Supporting Undeclared Wars With U.S. Tax Dollars (Israel, soldiers)
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Just wondering what the sentiments are regarding the many wars the U.S. supports, without the official approval of congress or the American people.
Are you for or against supporting undeclared wars with your tax dollars?
It's a bit of a vague question. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan. None of these were declared wars. That doesn't mean that Congress didn't officially approve. Truman sent troops to Korea, and Congress approved funding plus extended the draft. Congress approved the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, which gave the President authority to send forces to Vietnam. Congress gave Bush authority to invade Iraq and Afghanistan.
Going back further, Roosevelt supported the British with Lend Lease, even though we were not at war. More recently, Obama ordered the killing of Osama Bin Laden, and Trump had Iranian general Qasar Soleimani killed by a drone attack, without Congressional approval. Our funding of Ukraine in its war is subject to Congressional appropriation. That's the only war I know of that we are currently supporting.
My sentiment is that the Constitution gave Congress the power to declare war, but it has repeatedly forfeited its authority to let the President call the shots. We need Congress to re-assert its authority.
I didn't know until today that the Korean war was never declared. I had a patient this morning who was there, and he said it was called a "police action" but we never declared war. IDK what we were doing there, or Vietnam. Wasted lives for nothing.
I can tell you what we were doing in Korea - stopping communist North Korea from taking over the South. As a result, South Korea today is a thriving democracy and one of our most important allies in Asia. Whether that was worth the lives lost is another question.
Vietnam was similar, except that Vietnam was more of a civil war. Also, Vietnam didn't have as much strategic importance as Korea. We had no business there, IMO.
This act needs to be repealed. We haven't actually won a war in nearly 70 years. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc... We've lost every war we've been involved in during my lifetime. It's time to rethink how we use our military because our military is fully capable of winning if they are allowed to. If the Congress and American people don't fully support getting into and WINNING a war, then we should stay out of it. And by winning I mean absolutely decimating our enemies to the point that they surrender unconditionally. No exceptions.
The War Powers Resolution was a result of giving LBJ unrestricted ability to wage war in Vietnam. LBJ increased the troop level to 543,000 American combat troops stationed in Vietnam in 1969. The United States dropped more than 7.5 million tons of bombs on Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia, which was double the amount dropped on Europe and Asia during World War II. The bombing of North Vietnam reached a point where it was difficult to find new targets to bomb. How would you have used our military? Would you have sent more troops?
The Korean War was successful. If the U.S. and other UN nations had not intervened, there would only be one Korea and it would ruled by Kim Jong Un, the grandson of the leader who invaded South Korea.
My dad was in Korea 7th CAV regiment infantry in Korea. He was also at Cu Chi in Vietnam with flight operations for helicopters where he got a piece of a rocket. In between Korea and Vietnam he was arty in Germany. Of both wars Korea was more "his war". He never talked about the bad stuff just about his buddies and funny times like going into a village and unknowingly eating dog meat. He wouldn't eat rice for years after because at times that was all he had to survive on. I lost him Aug 2016, but I remember a couple years before he told me how he was at the VA and a Korean nurse by decedent thanked whole heartedly when she found out he was a Korean vet, it made him feel good about that.
Are the reasons for war always sound? no, are the politicians and high command always on the up and up as they send soldiers to war? no. People who serve or served do so most of the time with a code of duty loyalty and honor to country, to the Constitution and even in the fog or war and fog of politicians there are those like that nurse who's life was saved or changed for the better.
You know what would tear into my dad if he was around today? To see the very so called leaders in DC calling HIM a threat to Democracy, to have fought in two wars against communists only to see American leaders themselves be that.
Undeclared war using tax dollars?, that is exactly what the DC swamp is doing to Americans. Billions are being sent and used to finance mass caravans to invade the U.S and U.S politicians who supposedly swore a oath to the Constitution are doing that.
Biden and the Democrats care much more about the Ukrainian border than they do any United States citizen. Well, except for mentally ill people who want to cut off their or their children's genitals.
Now, whether you, and I say 'you' generically not personally, like Condi Rice or not, is not the issue. Recently, Condi Rice at annual event hosted by Stanford’s Center for International Security and Cooperation in Mar 14, 2024, said...
Every time we have tried to avoid entanglement, we have had to be entangled later at greater cost.
Great powers don’t mind their own business. They shape the future.
The implication here is that great powers, not 'do not', but CANNOT mind their own business. For starter, great powers do not become 'great' by being isolationists. They may start out as isolationists but as they grow in regional prominence, inevitably they clash with other regional powers, and also inevitably, lesser regional powers are attracted to them. As they grow they realized that being in alliances are beneficial in terms of making those alliances lopsided in their favors, and lesser powers usually acquiesced simply out of fear of the alternatives. Great powers always realized that they shape their futures by being leaders, not loners.
Now, whether you, and I say 'you' generically not personally, like Condi Rice or not, is not the issue. Recently, Condi Rice at annual event hosted by Stanford’s Center for International Security and Cooperation in Mar 14, 2024, said...
Every time we have tried to avoid entanglement, we have had to be entangled later at greater cost.
Great powers don’t mind their own business. They shape the future.
The implication here is that great powers, not 'do not', but CANNOT mind their own business. For starter, great powers do not become 'great' by being isolationists. They may start out as isolationists but as they grow in regional prominence, inevitably they clash with other regional powers, and also inevitably, lesser regional powers are attracted to them. As they grow they realized that being in alliances are beneficial in terms of making those alliances lopsided in their favors, and lesser powers usually acquiesced simply out of fear of the alternatives. Great powers always realized that they shape their futures by being leaders, not loners.
This act needs to be repealed. We haven't actually won a war in nearly 70 years. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc... We've lost every war we've been involved in during my lifetime. It's time to rethink how we use our military because our military is fully capable of winning if they are allowed to. If the Congress and American people don't fully support getting into and WINNING a war, then we should stay out of it. And by winning I mean absolutely decimating our enemies to the point that they surrender unconditionally. No exceptions.
" Vietnam"
Actually the top general of the North Vietnam army said we had WON, TET was their last try, which we won contrary to what the idiot walter conkite said, "we have lost the war", he never left Saigon which we also took back over, and didn't know why we quit.
Did you ever serve?
I did 2 tours in 'Nam, you?
Last edited by Quick Enough; 04-05-2024 at 05:50 AM..
It's a bit of a vague question. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan. None of these were declared wars. That doesn't mean that Congress didn't officially approve. Truman sent troops to Korea, and Congress approved funding plus extended the draft. Congress approved the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, which gave the President authority to send forces to Vietnam. Congress gave Bush authority to invade Iraq and Afghanistan.
Going back further, Roosevelt supported the British with Lend Lease, even though we were not at war. More recently, Obama ordered the killing of Osama Bin Laden, and Trump had Iranian general Qasar Soleimani killed by a drone attack, without Congressional approval. Our funding of Ukraine in its war is subject to Congressional appropriation. That's the only war I know of that we are currently supporting.
My sentiment is that the Constitution gave Congress the power to declare war, but it has repeatedly forfeited its authority to let the President call the shots. We need Congress to re-assert its authority.
Don't confuse him withe facts. You will have him running back to his "safe place" and calling his therapist
Why not be constitutional and require each case to go before our elected officials and affix their name for or against the war?
He means if the president is a rep or a dem.
Rep = literally Hitler, dem = righteous savior of the global proletariat
Obviously the two should not have to follow the same rules.
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