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It doesn't matter that America's founding Christian moral principles are shared by other religions. It only matters that the original colonists were overwhelmingly Christian and that the Founding Fathers who wrote the Constitution and the other laws were overwhelmingly Christian.
45% were Protestants with another 20% Catholics. Add another 5% other Christian denominations. That is 70% straight up. 7 of 10 colonists were Christians.
2% were Jewish, 1% were Muslim, and I can't even find the number of Buddhists.
While the Founders did not want to create a Christian nation that oppressed religious freedom for non-Christians, there can be no doubt that America was build on Christian principles by those 2 out of 3 Americans who beleived in Christ.
Who can possibly be surprised that an overwhelmingly Christian nation would be founded overwhelmingly on Christian principles? Pretty obvious, wouldn't you say?
Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”
People don’t know just how dark and hopeless the world was for the average Joe before Jesus’s short time on Earth. Of course any society based on individual rights and freedoms was a direct result of Jesus’s teachings which were like a foreign language at the time so many people were enslaved and severely oppressed.
"As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion, as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religious or tranquility of Musselmen, and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”
I would prefer to ask it there but politics isn't allowed.
Which indicates that for many, Religion is always Political.
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Originally Posted by Leo58
Well, murder and theft are illegal in every country, regardless of their religion.
And coveting and adultery have never been illegal here.
God is not mentioned in the Constitution, but freedom of religion definitely is.
The US Constitution is based on Freedom & that includes any Religious Worship.
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Originally Posted by Floorist
Except the Quran specifies that they must kill infidels (anyone who is non-Muslim). And that also includes all other sects except theirs.
That is certainly the interpretation of some. Apostasy is very serious in Islam , which makes Islam very different from other Religions.
That doesn’t mean that the right to Islam as a Religion is not welcome in the USA under our Constitution.
It’s all about Freedom of Religion and not forcing or disallowed Religion.
The Founding Fathers were extreme progressive liberals who brought about dramatic change. That purposely ended the conservative approach of resting power in the King and church.
That was back when liberals were truly liberal, open minded, and tolerant and believed such things as, "I disagree with what you say but I will fight for your right to say it."
Today's twisted and oppressive Leftists are no such thing.
What Progressive liberal today would be for the Second Amendment or recognize there is no constitutional right to abortion, that housing and health care are not a legal right? Modern Progressive liberals have all moved a light-year to the extreme Left.
There is a reason that liberals like Ronald Reagan were left behind when the Democrats moved so far to the Left that he ended up on the Right without changing a single belief. We are 10x further to the left than when Reagan fell behind.
There are very few liberals today. We are overrun by militant progressive Leftists who want to tyrannize everyone else and who believe the Woke ends justify the means.
That was back when liberals were truly liberal, open minded, and tolerant and believed such things as, "I disagree with what you say but I will fight for your right to say it."
Today's twisted and oppressive Leftists are no such thing.
What Progressive liberal today would be for the Second Amendment or recognize there is constitutional right to abortion? They have all moved a light-year to the extreme left.
There is a reason that liberals like Ronald Reagan were left behind when the Democrats moved so far to the Left that he ended up on the Right without changing a single belief. We are 10x further to the left than when Reagan fell behind.
There are very few liberals today. We are overrun by militant progressive Leftists who want to tyrannize everyone else and who believe the ends justify the means.
Hardly.
Both the Democrats and Republicans are right authoritarian on the scale. With the Democrats having been dragged further right by all the money in elections and essentially abandoning their union working man base in favor of the big corporate powered lobbies. That's the weakness that Trump exploited. You've just been distracted by some social issues that are more libertarian vs authoritarian than left/right.
Oh, you know... "thou shalt not kill," "thou shalt not steal," "thou shalt not covet," "thou shalt not commit adultery," etc.
Oh, so it's Jewish principles? Actually, those rules are found everywhere anyone has bothered to write down laws. Way, way before the Jewish Carpenter. Hammurabi came down pretty hard on those who stole, killed or committed adultery. The Greeks, the Romans, the ancient Chinese, the old Egyptians - Christianity is a couple of thousand years late to the punch to claim those as specific Christian values.
As for coveting, that's a cornerstone of US society. Consumer capitalism doesn't work without it.
Nah, the argument can be settled much easier: First Amendment. First Commandment. Pick one.
So obviously, back in the days of the founding fathers, they were not thinking about accommodation of ALL religions, but most likely - accommodation of all Christian churches/denominations of Europe.
This is selling the Founders short. The Enlightenment wasn't just about government with the consent of the governed, there was a lot of ink spent on rationality vs. religion - Jefferson, for one, thought quite a bit about it. And wrote on the subject.
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The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
True. But that doesn't mean "rules" against such are not also Christian principles/values.
By that logic, the US can be said to be founded on Zoroastrian principles.
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