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Ukraine and the current military conflict there are cast by both sides in simplistic terms for propaganda purposes. The reality of the situation is more nuanced and since it doesn’t support the current administration’s narrative, our compliant Media largely ignores it.
Finally two journalists decided to break from the pack and do some actual investigative reporting:
At least a dozen times, I have pointed out the Obama admin's lead role and active engineering of the 2014 coup of the duly elected, pro-Putin president Yanukovych. They forced Poroshenko onto the Ukrainian people as the "unity candidate" who ended up needing less than 18 months to make Obama regret that decision.
In the end, Ukraine is a grubby, sleazy version of Switzerland. It's a casino and arms/drug mart that the world's elite use to launder money, traffic in everything illegal, and make personal fortunes on the bodies of the murdered. Think of Switzerland like a glamorous, old money bank or institutional broker, and then think of Ukraine like a loan shark in an alley. Think of Switzerland like a casino in Monte Carlo where 007 sips martinis, and think of Ukraine as an off-strip sleaze pit in Reno.
It's why Putin wants it, it's why we want it, and it's why everyone fights over it. Lots of money being made, and everyone is cool to look the other way. That's why we pour taxpayer money it. Gotta protect the alley where our loansharks and weapon/drug dealers want to set up shop. It's the Dark Web version of a sovereign nation.
And Zelensky is as corrupt as they come. They all are. The Ukrainian president is an underboss, while Putin and Biden are dons/bosses.
At least a dozen times, I have pointed out the Obama admin's lead role and active engineering of the 2014 coup of the duly elected, pro-Putin president Yanukovych. They forced Poroshenko onto the Ukrainian people as the "unity candidate" who ended up needing less than 18 months to make Obama regret that decision.
In the end, Ukraine is a grubby, sleazy version of Switzerland. It's a casino and arms/drug mart that the world's elite use to launder money, traffic in everything illegal, and make personal fortunes on the bodies of the murdered. Think of Switzerland like a glamorous, old money bank or institutional broker, and then think of Ukraine like a loan shark in an alley. Think of Switzerland like a casino in Monte Carlo where 007 sips martinis, and think of Ukraine as an off-strip sleaze pit in Reno.
It's why Putin wants it, it's why we want it, and it's why everyone fights over it. Lots of money being made, and everyone is cool to look the other way. That's why we pour taxpayer money it. Gotta protect the alley where our loansharks and weapon/drug dealers want to set up shop. It's the Dark Web version of a sovereign nation.
And Zelensky is as corrupt as they come. They all are. The Ukrainian president is an underboss, while Putin and Biden are dons/bosses.
Yep, you're right, Ukraine is where all world corruption is done.
Yep, you're right, Ukraine is where all world corruption is done.
It isn't the only place, it's just one of the least monitored and more openly brazen about it. And it is geographically convenient to a ton of major corrupt players.
And it is unclaimed gangland turf, since none of the major families can lay legit claim to it. So you have Don Putin, Don Biden and Don EU all trying to make sure they control that action, with Zelensky as a temporary stand-in underboss, which is exactly what Poroshenko and Yanukovych were...stand-in underbosses under either Don Putin or Don Obama/Trump's thumbs.
Join NATO? Eh, maybe. Join the EU? Eh, maybe. The underboss keeps waffling on loyalties, so the turf stays up for grabs as a proxy.
Only people I feel bad for are the neighborhood families who have no say in the gangland crap they are forced to deal with. Same with the innocents in any warzone, crime pit or urban cesspool.
Nothing complicated about the Ukraine war. Russia bad, Ukraine good. Very simple.
Ukraine and Zelensky's government are honest and as clean as the driven snow. That country is stuffed full of democracy and purity. Russia on the other hand is evil incarnate and should be hated to the greatest degree. Putin is a filthy beast that eats children for breakfast (and lunch). All Russians are despicable, incompetent, and technologically backward. But nevertheless they can take over the world if they wanted to, so the West better step up to the plate and send more money to Ukraine. A lot more money.
So don't even think, just accept these facts. If you do, then you'll be happier for it. And the Western press wants to make you happy. Happy! Happy! Happy! Remember, reality is what you make it to be!
Isn't the Ukraine the best example of freedom and democracy? US politicians envy and praise Ukrainian democratic policies, and want to implement them too.
Best source of info is if you actually know people in Ukraine, like my wife's family and friends over there at least with the local day-to-day situations. As for the big picture it's not as transparent though and not all sources of media are reliable.
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Originally Posted by vincenze
Isn't the Ukraine the best example of freedom and democracy? US politicians envy and praise Ukrainian democratic policies, and want to implement them too.
In some ways they have more freedoms than we do, or different ones. You actually have freedom of speech there to the point where you can speak your mind without getting "cancelled". Of course if you say something pro-Russia/Putin that's an exception.
To me, Ukraine is a useful tool in assisting Russia in destroying itself.
It has worked well. Russia is economically isolated and militarily much weaker than it was pre-Ukraine, and there appears to be no going back to former strength and economic power. They have lost everything.
I don't really care how corrupt Ukraine is; That's not the point, to me.
Ukraine and the current military conflict there are cast by both sides in simplistic terms for propaganda purposes. The reality of the situation is more nuanced and since it doesn’t support the current administration’s narrative, our compliant Media largely ignores it.
Finally two journalists decided to break from the pack and do some actual investigative reporting:
Soon to follow... the nation of Georgia (south of the USSR)
Why would regular citizens be protesting how foreign agents have to report to the government... unless someone or some entity is pulling the strings behind the scene?
In Georgia, protests have erupted over a proposed law requiring organizations with foreign funding to register their activities with the government. Critics compare the bill to similar legislation used to silence opposition groups in Russia. Thousands of Georgians marched through the capital, Tbilisi, on Sunday to voice their opposition to the bill, with opposition parties and civil society groups calling for mass protests against its expected passage.
Hint...
Yes - we are sadly meddling in their affairs as well.
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