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Churches have always been among the worst of the gay bashers. They have shamefully advocated no human or civil rights for gays and often said that all gays will burn on hell. But it now appears that the church is coming out of the dark ages. Better late than never!
Presbyterian assembly votes to drop gay clergy ban - Yahoo! News (broken link)
God says turn from sin, do not accept it or tolerate it. Man tells God he is wrong, and not only tolerates it, but accepts it and revels in it. Man is no longer serving God's will, but serving man's desire.
Churches have always been among the worst of the gay bashers. They have shamefully advocated no human or civil rights for gays and often said that all gays will burn on hell. But it now appears that the church is coming out of the dark ages. Better late than never!
Presbyterian assembly votes to drop gay clergy ban - Yahoo! News (broken link)
Kevin,
The Bible clearly states the homosexuality is a sin. As is lying, cheating, stealing, fornication.......etc. If someone professes to follow the tenants of said religion you either agree with the doctrine or you don't. Christianity isn't a spiritual buffet where one can pick and choose which belief they agree with and which the don't.
Last edited by katzenfreund; 06-28-2008 at 08:48 AM..
Reason: no personal attacks, discuss the topic, NOT the poster!
BK,
you confuse me; you're conservative on homosexuality and far left liberal on illegal immigration. Where do you stand on abortion?
Kev,
I shouldn't have called you unintelligent. I apologize and ask for your forgiveness.
My intention was not to directly look at this from one sides disagreement. The fact is, everyone should be looking at this decision in poor light.
From a Christians perspective, this is a pure violation of the teachings to which a Church prescribes and should be viewed as nothing more than an acceptance of sin to serve man over God.
From a non-Christian or non-religious view, this should be seen also as a contradiction to themselves as it shows that this institution who proclaims God's truth doesn't accept it or put any faith into it.
Either way, it is an institution of hypocrisy as they make a mockery of their own belief system by ignoring part of its beliefs to serve its own goals. What value does this institution have if they change what they will when they choose to?
I honestly would expect those who support homosexuality to be using this as a validation of their position, not embracing the hypocrisy. Its like being opposed to stealing only when it is stealing from yourself. It makes no sense.
edit: so maybe that is why someone might agree with this position, even though they may or may not share a certain position on the issue itself.
God says turn from sin, do not accept it or tolerate it. Man tells God he is wrong, and not only tolerates it, but accepts it and revels in it. Man is no longer serving God's will, but serving man's desire.
You don't know what God's will is. You never have, and you never will, no matter how much you think you do. It's ludicrous to speak in the name of God, whoever she/he/it is.
You don't know what God's will is. You never have, and you never will, no matter how much you think you do. It's ludicrous to speak in the name of God, whoever she/he/it is.
From an agnostic point of view, or that of one who is a deist (believes in a god that has no interaction or involvement in man, abandoned man, disinterested), you might be correct.
We aren't talking about that belief though. We are talking about the Christian faith to which the Bible is an affirmation of his word and clearly defines his will and direction for his people.
So we do know his will, we do know his laws, and we do know how to follow the path he has given us.
My intention was not to directly look at this from one sides disagreement. The fact is, everyone should be looking at this decision in poor light.
From a Christians perspective, this is a pure violation of the teachings to which a Church prescribes and should be viewed as nothing more than an acceptance of sin to serve man over God.
From a non-Christian or non-religious view, this should be seen also as a contradiction to themselves as it shows that this institution who proclaims God's truth doesn't accept it or put any faith into it.
Either way, it is an institution of hypocrisy as they make a mockery of their own belief system by ignoring part of its beliefs to serve its own goals. What value does this institution have if they change what they will when they choose to?
I honestly would expect those who support homosexuality to be using this as a validation of their position, not embracing the hypocrisy. Its like being opposed to stealing only when it is stealing from yourself. It makes no sense.
edit: so maybe that is why someone might agree with this position, even though they may or may not share a certain position on the issue itself.
Not sure why you quoted me. Let me clarify my opinion, if hat was the issue. I've heard many people say that they're a "catholic" for example, yet they're pro abortion and pro gay marriage, something the catholic church is explicitly against and that stance is part of their formal doctrine. My argument is that you can't be something if you don't agree with it. It's not a spiritual buffet; pick and choose what you believe and don't accept the other. That would be like me calling myself a vegetarian but eating meat. I like vegetables and agree with their benefits but don't agree with the vegetarian stance on anti meat. You either are or you aren't.
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Originally Posted by Sonrise
Kevin,
This isn't going to be nice but it's how I really feel; you're one of the least intelligent liberal posters on this forum. Anyone who has an opinion that differs from your own is subjected to some type of pejorative. Your opinions are rarely thought out and are almost always based solely on emotion and rhetoric.
The Bible clearly states the homosexuality is a sin. As is lying, cheating, stealing, fornication.......etc. If someone professes to follow the tenants of said religion you either agree with the doctrine or you don't. Christianity isn't a spiritual buffet where one can pick and choose which belief they agree with and which the don't.
Anyway, you're act has become boring and tiresome. People can have opinions that differ from your own ,y'know.
I disagree. Only the OLD testaments condem homosexuality. The Old Testament is LAW and we do not live under LAW anymore. We now live under GRACE as given to us by the New Testaments of the Lord Jesus Christ. And Jesus himself never condemed homosexuals. While I agree that homosexuality IS a SIN, many things are a sin and we do not hold those sins up to the same judgement as we do the sin of homosexuality. These include divorce, adultrey, drunkeness, smoking, cussing (especially the GD word), eating pork and many other things that we as humans, falling short of the perfect glory of the Lord, engage in. And this includes pastors- some of whom are divorced. If we all had to live under the laws of the Old Testament, we would most certainly all be condemed to eternal Hell for the way we live.
My main problem with Christianity as practiced is that it picks out a few sins to be really "bad sins" and choose to ignore more widely practiced sins when the Lord himself made it clear that ALL sin is sin and that one sin is no worse than another sin. So when churches start bashing the divorcees, the adulterers, the smokers and the pork eaters along with the homosexuals, I might be more inclined to hear it. But even then, as the Bible says, don't judge lest you be judged. Because when the day comes, you and me will be standing there in front of the great Judge, the All Mighty God right along with the gays waiting to hear our eternal fate.
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