Why do people who HATE America continue to live here??? (Reagan, drugs)

[ozzie679]

Originally Posted by mrstewart

Has anyone else noticed how many people declare their hatred for America but yet continue to live here? And, you know, I would not care if they hated America and were willing to do something to offer change, but they just complain and try to sell us on the attributes of other, more "socially evolved" countries.

This is really no different than marriages that go bad...if it is that bad, LEAVE and start over where the grass is greener.

Just wondering if others noticed this trend.

There's ALWAYS going to be chronic complainers. It's more irritating listening to those who are blinded by pride and stubbornness....those people who think anybody who is speaks out against the status quo, is against America. We will evolve as a country or we will die as a country.

[wildflower82]

Originally Posted by chielgirl

Get an abortion if you choose without a hassle;

I disagree, have you had one or know of someone? Speaking from experience, planned parenthood is all to eager and conducts the procedure, and the time leading up to it, very well. After, all this is your choice they will tell you, this is your body, never once do they talk about what that baby goes through and the years that go by. You are sticking up for something that destroys lives, don't you think it's wiser for us to tell young women that protected sex or to sustain from sex is a better option?? These are the ones having abortions and the young girls their parents for the most part, don't even know they are there........
Who's having abortions (age)?
52% of women obtaining abortions in the U.S. are younger than 25: Women aged 20-24 obtain 32% of all abortions; Teenagers obtain 20% and girls under 15 account for 1.2%.

get the morning after pill or birth control in pharmacies if the pharmacist chooses not to distribute, even with a prescription;

There are plenty of pharmacies, the only reason you should take this pill is if you were raped, otherwise, grow up and get responsible with your body. If your having sex you should be protected, hell you can get aids.

get a tubal ligation if you don't have kids;

Have you seen the problems that can occur, and that 6% who have it done want it reversed, and it doesn't always work Tubal Ligation Reversal - Is Pregnancy Possible After Tubal LigationMore than 650,000 women undergo tubal ligation in the United States annually, thus ending their ability to have children. On top of the list of side effects, maybe, this is why the try to change womens minds, how dare they be concerned about ruining your health in ways you will have a hard time manging.
That's not a small number, so plenty of women have this choice in the US.

Get harassed and called names for going into a planned parenthood building for any reason.

I have been to a few and have never seen this.

Can you provide a link to this statement?

Kind of funny, but not really, a lot of things that went on during Mr. Obama campaigning has been removed, it's part has to do with him and this administration, there want to control, what is put on the Internet, especially, where he and his wife and friends are concerned...... never fear here's the new one.......» EXPOSED! America
Last month, we wrote about how unions or their allies could be stealing the mid-term elections even before November 2nd. What you’re about to read and see for yourself is one of those events where Hispanic voters were lured to an early voting rally just two weeks ago and fed pizza for their votes…all the while under the watchful gaze of one of Arizona’s highest officials.

How about those who weren't allowed to vote in Tennessee and Florida in 2004.

Kerry didn't have a chance in these States, Kerry only had 40-49% in both States and Bush had 50% or more. See for yourself..............http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/fe2004/presmaps.pdf

[renault]

Why do people who HATE America continue to live here???

Because the Democratic party of "Hate America First" know, as Al-Qaeda does, that the trick to destroying the US is to slowly choke it from within.

So far the liberal socialists are doing a fine job. TSA spent millions on lobbying for their invasive machines and so the Dems and Obama take the lobbyist's money, smile and sign away Americans' rights, playing right into Bin Laden's hands, saying, "TSA pat-downs are necessary to stop terrorism." Never mind the fact that pat-downs and scans will do absolutely nothing to stop international terrorists hell bent on destroying themselves and taking some of us with them in the name of Allah.

We need less Obamabots and more Ben Franklins.

"Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither." -Ben Franklin

Say it again, Ben.

[ozzie679]

Originally Posted by renault

because the part of "blame america first" know, as al-qaeda does, that the trick to destroying the us is to slowly choke it from within.

lol

[Neuling]

Originally Posted by henrjam

I believe it is usually done so. France is the exception in Europe, for this and also so many other things.

But France will be a tough place for Americans to live as usually they don't speak any languages apart from English

I didn't find anything on whether it is used to pay employees, but in one source it says that when paying by check in France, one has to show one's passport or id card, the number of which is often written on the back of the check. Sometimes the associated bank account is even checked beforehand. So again, there is traceability.
Paying by cash, which is the only really anonymous way to pay, is not very common in France.

[henrjam]

Originally Posted by Neuling

But France will be a tough place for Americans to live as usually they don't speak any languages apart from English

I didn't find anything on whether it is used to pay employees, but in one source it says that when paying by check in France, one has to show one's passport or id card, the number of which is often written on the back of the check. Sometimes the associated bank account is even checked beforehand. So again, there is traceability.
Paying by cash, which is the only really anonymous way to pay, is not very common in France.

When an employer hires a undocumented worker he will always pay him in cash. Mostly, they avoid any traceability that would link them to their workers. The use of illegal manpower in the construction and restaurant business is an endemic practice.

French don’t speak any other language than their own either. They have decided once and for all that this was part of their identity. Many journalists don’t even speak English.

[sindey]

Originally Posted by renault

Because the Democratic party of "Hate America First" know, as Al-Qaeda does, that the trick to destroying the US is to slowly choke it from within.

So far the liberal socialists are doing a fine job. TSA spent millions on lobbying for their invasive machines and so the Dems and Obama take the lobbyist's money, smile and sign away Americans' rights, playing right into Bin Laden's hands, saying, "TSA pat-downs are necessary to stop terrorism." Never mind the fact that pat-downs and scans will do absolutely nothing to stop international terrorists hell bent on destroying themselves and taking some of us with them in the name of Allah.

We need less Obamabots and more Ben Franklins.

"Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither." -Ben Franklin

Say it again, Ben.

Ben would be awful disappointed then, in both Republicans & Democrats because 'the people' are allowing things like this to happen.

It started with the wiretaps & now this.
It doesn't matter anymore what political party one belongs to.
As soon as the hoopla dies down about the pat-downs, it will be onto something else. They are already talking about implementing scanning at train & bus stations.
Hopefully people will stop the bickering between ourselves & realize once & for all, that these things are happening to us ALL.

OP....I can & do love my country. It is the country I was allowed the freedom to speak out against the things that I believe are wrong.
One can love their country but, not some of the things the government does.
I believe all of us,especially the politicians, have forgotten they work for us not the other way around.

[Neuling]

Originally Posted by henrjam

When an employer hires a undocumented worker he will always pay him in cash which is even legal when the salary is lower than 1500 Euros. The use of illegal manpower in the construction and restaurant business is an endemic practice.

French don’t speak any other language than their own. They have decided this was part of their identity. Many journalists don’t even speak English.

Paying undocumented workers in cash is legal up to 1500 Euros?

Actually, I was referring to Americans not speaking foreign languages, and if the French in turn don't speak English, it really is not the right place for Americans, checks or not
Even if someone managed to get their pay in cash, it is still more risky to be illegal in Europe than in the US. Europeans tend to have closer relationships and chatter a lot with neighbors etc., the risk of becoming the topic is quite high.
Either way, it is not the right way to live, there is always that uncomfortable Kimble feeling
I guess the best place for Americans to live illegally is Irish cities.

[henrjam]

Originally Posted by Neuling

Paying undocumented workers in cash is legal up to 1500 Euros?

I was referring to Americans not speaking foreign languages, and if the French in turn don't speak English, it really is not the right place for Americans, checks or not
Even if someone managed to get their pay in cash, it is still more risky to be illegal in Europe than in the US. Europeans tend to have closer relationships and chatter a lot with neighbors etc., the risk of becoming the topic is quite high.
Either way, it is not the right way to live, there is always that uncomfortable Kimble feeling

Paying low salaries in cash is legal, hiring undocumented workers is not.
I am not sure it is really more dangerous to work as an illegal, people are not deported so easily.
Speaking about France, people in large cities don’t have close relations with their neighbors. Most of the time they don’t have any relation at all. You can spend twenty years in the same place and not know the name, not to say the first name, of the person that lives next to you.
There is no better place to hide than big European cities.

[henrjam]

Originally Posted by Neuling

I guess the best place for Americans to live illegally is Irish cities.

Not so sure.
The English speaking crowd will detect your accent on the spot.
In other countries people may think you are British.