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Old 08-16-2008, 08:34 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Anyone with the slightest knowledge of what is involved in planning an operation like this knows it was planned way in advance....but this might help others grasp this wasn't a reaction to Georgian aggression but a plan waiting for the right moment to be unleashed.

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Before the guns of August, there were the maneuvers of July.
Less than one month before Russia’s armed forces entered Georgia on August 8, they held massive military training exercises in the North Caucasus involving 8,000 servicemen and 700 pieces of military hardware.
At center stage in those maneuvers -- which took place in the second half of July, not far from Georgia’s border -- was Russia’s 58th Army, the very unit that would later play a key role in the incursion.
Those exercises are just one link in a chain of incidents suggesting that Russia’s military action in Georgia was planned months in advance, awaiting only an appropriate pretext to act.
Military analyst Pavel Felgenhauer says the aim, from the start, was to overthrow Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili and his pro-Western government.
"This was prepared long ago," Felgenhauer, a Moscow-based military analyst tells RFE/RL’s North Caucasus Service, adding that according to his information, a decision to go to war was made back in April. "A decision was made for the war to start in August. The war would have happened regardless of what the Georgians did. Whether they responded to the provocations or not, there would have been an invasion of Georgia," Felgenhauer says. "The goal was to destroy Georgia’s central government, defeat the Georgian army, and prevent Georgia from joining NATO."


EurasiaNet Eurasia Insight - Did Russia Plan Its War In Georgia?
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Old 08-16-2008, 10:10 AM
 
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Anyone with the slightest knowledge of what is involved in planning an operation like this knows it was planned way in advance....but this might help others grasp this wasn't a reaction to Georgian aggression but a plan waiting for the right moment to be unleashed.

EurasiaNet Eurasia Insight - Did Russia Plan Its War In Georgia?
I have no doubts that it was planned, that is assumed and a no brainer. Russia has been warning Georgia for almost a year now and everyone blew them off.

What is more frightening is that Condi Rice, a supposed expert on Russia, as well as those neoconservative pinheads directing our foreign policy, completely miscalculated Russia's actions in this region. One gets the impression that Bush, Cheney, and Rice all have a rather stunned deer in the headlights look of disbelief that Russia acted as they did. This frightens me as any reasonable person would have had to consider the possibility of this outcome.

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Russia's military operation, following a Georgian offensive in a pro-Russian area, renews uneasy memories of the Cold War.
VOA News - Georgia Attack Heightens Concerns About Wider Aims of Russia (http://www.voanews.com/specialenglish/2008-08-15-voa4.cfm - broken link)

Not to mention that since this has occured, our old Allies the Turks have this to say..

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The conflict in Georgia, Gül asserted, showed that the United States could no longer shape global politics on its own, and should begin sharing power with other countries.
Turkish president Abdullah Gül talks to Stephen Kinzer | World news | The Guardian

I bet that these kinds of statements out of Turkey also came as a great big fat surprise to the Bush White House.
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Old 08-16-2008, 03:54 PM
 
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Dear Americans, did you hear about an accident on Fox News? I'm think, you did.
YouTube tells, that it's no longer available (only for USA).
Here is instructions how you can get it.
http://s56.radikal.ru/i154/0808/ec/e6d57e837e64.png
if you want, you can see other side of war here
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Be shure, I'm not KGB agent.

Last edited by AlexanderVK; 08-16-2008 at 04:20 PM.. Reason: add smth.
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Old 08-16-2008, 05:12 PM
 
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No it was not planned, Seeing how Ga attacked a country and Russia defended that country, i am sure russia knew something was going to happen thats why they were on the border.
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Old 08-16-2008, 06:00 PM
 
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Did they plan this invasion as in provoke Georgia into attacking them? I doubt it.
Did they have a plan in the event they needed to invade Georgia? Oh yes no doubt what so ever.
This is SOP.
No doubt we have plans on the shelf for invading Canada or Mexico or just about any imaginable foe.
Does anyone believe that we don't have plans drawn up for invading Cuba?
Russia was within their rights to retaliate for the attacks on their troops. They have however exceeded any legitimate retaliation and turned this into a full blown invasion.
But hey Israel got away with it in Lebanon why can't Russia? Answer is neither should escape penalty.
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Old 08-16-2008, 09:05 PM
 
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No it was not planned, Seeing how Ga attacked a country and Russia defended that country, i am sure russia knew something was going to happen thats why they were on the border.
Russia responded in less than a day with a massive invasion....pretty on the ball those Russians....
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Old 08-16-2008, 09:07 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Did they plan this invasion as in provoke Georgia into attacking them? I doubt it.
Did they have a plan in the event they needed to invade Georgia? Oh yes no doubt what so ever.
This is SOP.
No doubt we have plans on the shelf for invading Canada or Mexico or just about any imaginable foe.
Does anyone believe that we don't have plans drawn up for invading Cuba?
Russia was within their rights to retaliate for the attacks on their troops. They have however exceeded any legitimate retaliation and turned this into a full blown invasion.
But hey Israel got away with it in Lebanon why can't Russia? Answer is neither should escape penalty.
I don't,if you read the events prior to August 7th you would see a pattern of provocation.

Plans are fine,being able to respond in a day is a little different.

Why were Russian troops in Georgian territory(South Ossetia and Abkhazia) in the first place?
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Old 08-16-2008, 09:38 PM
 
Location: Texas
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It's not a war; It is merely a "peace keeping mission" just ask Putin...
Planned during the Olympics when world attetion would be focused on Beijing...darn those cunning Commies.
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Old 08-19-2008, 01:04 PM
 
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It's not a war; It is merely a "peace keeping mission" just ask Putin...
Planned during the Olympics when world attetion would be focused on Beijing...darn those cunning Commies.

YouTube - Saakashvili Aggression

Do you realy trust in communists and KGB? If wish to see artful communists look at a management of the USA.

Propagation feeds you lies, and you eat it, and build any assumptions. After the WWII Germans spoke, that they knew nothing, that they were deceived. Explain to millions corpses of it, anybody could not.

Something needs to be changed in foreign policy of the USA, differently the end to a planet. The second Caribbean crisis will not be, because the president equal to Kennedy is not present now on horizon.
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Old 08-19-2008, 01:49 PM
 
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Of course the did! Look at my name!


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