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Let me remind you that the first bombing attack on the World Trade Center, the attack on the USS Cole, and the cowardly 9/11 attacks all happened before we had boots on the ground in Iraq.
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.. . . but after our cowardly bombing of Libya.
Oh, my, why would anybody attack a fully-armed warship of a belligerent nation in a foreign port? That the crew had forgotten to defend, believing the fairy tale about hearts and minds. I know nothing I can say will change your mind about this clear and unambiguous fact, but the USS Cole was not in Iraq and was not attacked by Iraqis.
And no undamaged and intact Iraqi passports were found conveniently lying in the street as as rubble from the WTC came raining down.
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Originally Posted by mrbob
nothing you or anyone else on this forum can say will change my mind.
That says everything I need to know about your intellect.
The bombing of Libya was a great moment of pride for Americans - it was payback for Pan Am flight 103 being blown up by cowardly muslim Libyan terrorists.
Only thing I regret about the attack is it did not kill Kadafi himself....
If it were up to me, I'd have given everyone involved in that military strike a medal...
How many Vietnamese did our Christians kill to preserve our honor? By pouring napalm on little children and watching them burn alive.
"Holy s**t, look at the mess we're in. But we have to get out WITH HONOR. We can't just say 'oops' and go home, and lose our honor.".
These honor killings that you are so fixated on, occur so rarely, that Fox News reports them when they happen. They are maybe as rare as plane crashes, and therefore, just as newsworthy. There are a billion Muslims, and something like this happens how often? Every day? 3,000 a decade? Sorry---much rarer than that.
Compare it with the frequency of a Christian Redneck male, drinking too much to defend his honor among his macho buddies down at the bar, who commit's an "honor killling" while driving home drunk.. Or beats his wife (and kids) if he gets there safely, to preserve his honor.
Not christian, so I don't care if you group them all as rednecks...sorry you were unable to push a button
Nonetheless, the difference between a redneck getting drunk and beating his wife is this: in the US it is illegal, under sharia law it is allowed.
The difference between napalm and stoning a woman to death is this: war sucks, but it must suck more to be born female and have your fate swing by a males whim.
In pakistan the governing body tried decrying the practice.....one lawmaker refused citing honor killings an important part of pakistani culture. That hardly sounds like something so rare as to be neglible.
Thank you, Mr. Bob, for asking intelligent questions that actually seek understanding.
Why is Islam such a violent and repressive religion and form of government?
----It is not nearly as violent and repressive as Christianity was, from before the middle ages right up through the imperial era, which ended about 1955.
Why is there such a huge level of terrorism perpetrated by muslims today?
---Because they feel that they are being put upon by an alien culture trying to impose its own will and culture on nations that are predominatly Islam. First there was the Crusades. Then Christians in Europe imposed imperial rule, by force of arms, on virtually the entire Muslim world. Then, they ripped Palestime away from her people, and handed her over to the Zionsts. Muslims possess two qualities that are unimaginable to western thinkers: Memory and patience.
Why don't we hear an outcry from the more moderate muslims against the direction that their religion has been taken in?
---Maybe you would, if you would listen. Fox News cannot be depended upon to relay the message.
I began to get one hell of an education on 9/11, and it has been expended upon almost daily by the things that I hear muslims do around the world.
---Compare 9/11 with the US bombings of Libya. Muslims began getting one hell of an education about a millenium before 9/11.
Regarding 9/11. Would we have gone to war, if all they had done was hijack four planes and crash them? The deaths in the WTC were a one-in-a-million shot. People died there not because planes crashed into them, but because the faulty buildings fell down, after employes were whipped back into their cubicles and told there was nothing wrong, and it most likely fell down due to structural failures caused by contractors greedily ignoring code. Had Americans cared more about safety and less about profits, WTC by the end of the day would have been fully evacuated buildings still standing, and we would not have gone to war.
If the terrorists REALLY wanted to murder the maximum number of innocent Americans, do you think they could have thought of a more effective target? Like a football stadium on a weekend afternoon? There could have been no realistic expectation that the crashing of a plane into a building like that would kill anybody except those on board the plane. So the symbolic gesture must have been the objective, not the deaths of innocent civilians in maximized numbers.
Furthermore, the WTC housed most of the corporations that the radical Muslims thought of as the enemy. This, to them, was an economic war, and US capitalixm was the enemy. That made the offices of the capitalists a useful tactical target, where they could do the most strategic damage. To them, the workers in the WTC were the foot-soldiers of their economic enemy. As surely as munitions workers in factories in WWII---civilians who were exterminated in every bombing raid. George W. Bush has repeated over and over again the mantra that you can't have a war without innocent people getting hurt, and he continues to use that himself to justify his own war of aggression.
It can be very eye-opening to think about war from the viewpoint of the enemy.
NEVER in 67 years have I heard such a babbling bunch of BS
Answer the question posed to you, straight up, as answers and not as ramblings.
He asked you a question that begged for an honest answer,,,,and it still goes unanswered.
The people of Rwanda are 74% Christian, and 67% Christian in Burundi.
It is the Christians who are bombing Iraq, not the Iraqis who are bombing Christians. It was the Christians who killed Vietnemse by the millions, not the other way around.
How many Jews did Christians kill?
The brutal Muslims, in case you had not noticed, are fighting a war against foreign aggrssors, to defend their country and their families against invaders who know nothing of their culture, their religiion, the language. Unlike the Christians, who think war is a game to be won playing by the rules, the Muslims are playing to WIN, in defense of what is theirs. Americans, of they lose, just go home and pick on somebody smaller next time. Iraqis, if they lose, lose EVERYTHING This is not a polite duel, where one side (Always the Christians) gets to choose the weapons and the other side is bound by that choice. Someday, heaven forbid, you may be in a war in which your nation is actually threatened by somebody who can actually prevail. Let's see how you fight then.
Let me ask you: If your country had been overrrun by foreign invaders, using shock and awe and torture, would you use whatever brutality was necessary to keep them from kicking down the front door of your family's home?
You see, the Christians had the luxury to reform themselves. They held all the cards, and haven't been, for centuries, under external threat.
My country is threatened by "foreign invaders", they are called illegal aliens, Islamic terrorists, socialists (Barack Husein Nobama and the Democratic Party) who want to tear down the foundations of the United States and replace it with a ruling party of Fascists and Socialists (Communists)! "Shock and awe" does not necessarily represent military actions, it can also be represented by the weakening and destruction of the pillars of the representative democracy of the United States of America!
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NEVER in 67 years have I heard such a babbling bunch of BS
Answer the question posed to you, straight up, as answers and not as ramblings.
He asked you a question that begged for an honest answer,,,,and it still goes unanswered.
jtur88 is unable to answer a question "straight up"as he represents Barack Husein Nobama and the Democratic (Fascist) Party! "If you can't impress them with facts, dazzle them with bulls***"! Only the Fascist/Socialist Party doesn't have any facts, and the bulls*** is about as believable as "Goldie Locks and The Three Bears", with apologies to Goldie Locks and The Three Bears!
You can always look back 600 years and see savagery in any religion including Christianity AND Islam. Fact is, other religions have reformed themselves and are no longer brutal systems of repression like Islam.
But it is a sad fact that today, in the 21st century, Islam alone holds the title to most intolerant, and violent religion in the world. No other religion even comes close today - and I live in the present, not the middle ages.
If you want to blame anyone for why most westerners feel this way towards Islam and muslims in general, blame the fundamentalists in Islam.
I doubt if many people buy into your logic...
At this point, I'm not too concerned if people "buy" into my logic or not. My post was about the post of those ex-muslims. What they were saying about Islam & Allah is exactly the same teachings of christianity, so I see no difference there. I'm not even sure why that was posted.
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