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A war is ok as long as it gets our economy rolling, like world war 2. This war in Iraq shouldve been over a long time ago if there was a Harry S Truman out there. Im ok with that!! Seriously I am.
Uh-oh. The Dow is down. Crank up the Napalm factories.
You're just saying this to get a rise out of us, right? You don't really believe that every country in the world ought to regularly slaughter the people in neigboring countries in order to increase the share values of their corporations.
How many people have you murdered for profit? Should I worry about whether you live near me?
Anyone who thinks permanent "war" is the way to keep up our employment numbers, and keep our economy humming is DELUSIONAL. I'd suggest some not so light reading for any and all of you:
"The Pentagon's New Map Of The World", by Thomas C.P. Barnett, and
"The Limits Of Power", by Andrew J. Bacevich.
Both excellent reads. Too bad Bush and his cronies never read the first (published about 2002 IIRC), and are probably NOT reading the second, which was just recently published.
If you want to be able to make INFORMED decisions about what politicians are lying to you about, you NEED to read both.
This question devolves to "Under what circumstances is it justified or legitimate to participate in a war?" This is not a new question---it has been around for a long time.
I would say that ALL of these criteria would need to be present to justify going to war:
1. Your nation has been a cooperative member of the community of nations, and has not militarily threatened any other nation.
2. An enemy abroad indicates both an intent and a capacity to invade your own nation with sufficent force to overrun a part of your territory.
3. Your enemy possesses sufficient force to occupy and control any territory of your country that is overrun by military force.
4. Stationing defense forces in your own territory is insufficient to repel attacks.
If ALL of those criteria are met, I would agree that engaging in a general war would have defensive justifiation. As far as I know, the United States has not, in the past century, been in a situation in which those criteria were met.
That's incredibly short-sighted.
Had Japan not attacked the US, the US oil embargo would have strangled the Japanese economy causing it to collapse, leaving the government weak and unable to repel attackers.
If the US had not entered WW II on the side of the Allies, the UK may have taken Hess up on Hitler's offer. Imagine a powerful German Union allied with colonial UK. They could have cut off resources to the US and throttled its economy. Then as now, you can't make military vehicles without rubber imported from the South Pacific. It'd be real hard to defend your country on a GDP of $3,471.95
Chess-masters are masters because they have incredible foresight.
Guys like Fischer and Kasparov and others can look at your first move and in an instant play out several thousand games in their mind covering every possible permutation of moves over the course of the next 100 moves.
That's why you can't beat them, because they already know the outcome of the match.
The country that can see 35-40 years into the future, and envision how the world might be or how they want the world to be, and then takes action to ensure the outcome, is the country that will be a super-power 35-40 years from now.
The country that does nothing is the one that will be an also-ran has-been.
Too bad Bush and his cronies never read the first (published about 2002 IIRC), and are probably NOT reading the second, which was just recently published.
Why would they? They're using the blue-print of a game-plan from the late 70's. Works fine for the US.
It's all a choice. Often, in economic terms, the attacking country chooses to "externalize" the costs of its own previous economic choices by imposing them militarily on the attacked nation.
America made a choice not to invest in future-ready energy sources, not to build a more flexible transportation grid, etc. So now we are faced with the "necessity" to invade and police weaker nations that happen to have an oil resource.
Most economic goods can be substituted with something else, even rubber from Malaysia! So we have the choice to go with one substitutable material versus another.
Ingenuity versus brute force. Cost today versus cost tomorrow. It's all economics, and it's all a choice. America continues to make poorly conceived, short-term oriented economic decisions.
Last edited by ParkTwain; 10-07-2008 at 05:33 PM..
It's all a choice. Often, in economic terms, the attacking country chooses to "externalize" the costs of its own previous economic choices by imposing them militarily on the attacked nation.
America made a choice not to invest in future-ready energy sources, not to build a more flexible transportation grid, etc. So now we are faced with the "necessity" to invade and police weaker nations that happen to have an oil resource.
Most economic goods can be substituted with something else, even rubber from Malaysia! So we have the choice to go with one substitutable material versus another.
Ingenuity versus brute force. Cost today versus cost tomorrow. It's all economics, and it's all a choice. America continues to make poorly conceived, short-term oriented economic decisions.
You are absolutely correct. This permeates the entire culture of the United States, from the corporations to the average citizen. It's about instant gratification above all else. But this is not sustainable, as we are seeing with the US economy right now. You can't enslave all of mankind so that you can continue to live a pompous lifestyle.
Uh-oh. The Dow is down. Crank up the Napalm factories.
You're just saying this to get a rise out of us, right? You don't really believe that every country in the world ought to regularly slaughter the people in neigboring countries in order to increase the share values of their corporations.
How many people have you murdered for profit? Should I worry about whether you live near me?
No, Victoria is about 2 hours away. War is like prostitution, its been around since forever. This war in Iraq should of been over a long time ago, just a few bombs and you can put it in the win column, instead its on the verge of becoming our modern day vietnam.
1/4 million dead. 10 trillion in the hole. 40% goes to a private army blackwater.
killed their leader and invaded their country. they did not do 911. why why why.
1/4 million dead. 10 trillion in the hole. 40% goes to a private army blackwater.
killed their leader and invaded their country. they did not do 911. why why why.
the memo is out, they found the WMD. Oil is finally going down in prices.
I dont mind war, but give me the real reason, Yeah Sadaam is evil man so we going to kill him, im ok with that just dont feed me the bull that there is some WMD and we are trying to protect the oil industries.
Anyone who thinks permanent "war" is the way to keep up our employment numbers, and keep our economy humming is DELUSIONAL.
No, I don't think it id delusional at all. That fact that it has not worked in the hands of imbeclies does not mean it would not work with careful planning. It could work. It would just be barbaric and inhuman, lwhich would fit in perfectly with the social objectives of the posters on this board who are barbarc and inhuman, of which there are plenty.
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