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Old 12-07-2008, 02:41 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Looks like a group of people here who should get together and try to relocate to another country. We're over-crowded, anyway.
Secession would fix the problem...

Now to the OP: referring to the country or the government? The government sucks, the country isn't too bad and would be better off if it weren't for our corrupt and bloated government.

 
Old 12-07-2008, 03:28 PM
 
Location: toronto, Canada
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I think either secession or a massive decentralization through increased State rights would help improve America. Government has never shown itself responsible enough to govern any more than 5 people at a time.
 
Old 12-07-2008, 04:28 PM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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Looks like a group of people here who should get together and try to relocate to another country. We're over-crowded, anyway.
Ah, another example of America's "best and brightest", the "Love or Leave it" crowd, who dearly love conformity, and think Freedom is deciding which product to buy...
 
Old 12-07-2008, 04:48 PM
 
Location: in love with life!
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I love America for many reasons. And one of them is that we aren't perfect, but we are able to change and grow. America is always in flux, and maybe you don't agree with it all, but the cool is thing is that we are able to talk about it, and complain about it.

Another reason why I love America: I can eat here w/o having to worry about the restaurant I'm in getting bombed. 11 years ago I was on a pilgrimage in Jericho and as my group was leaving the cafe we had just been in was attacked by a car bomb. The carnage is something that will never leave me. I'm back in my home country and I can wander around knowing that most likely I won't be killed by a suicide attack. Yes, we have our crime rates (I've lived in large cities and small towns, so I'm aware of what goes on and it isn't pretty), but most of us can safely go about our daily business and not worry overmuch.

Another 3rd reason to love America: I get to take part in over throwing the gov't every few years. Every 4 or 8 we elect a new leader and each time power has been exchanged it has been bloodless.

There is a lot to love about this country, but we also have a long way to go before we are even close to perfect, and I doubt we will ever get there. But, America is a pretty good place to live. I can think of many countries that are worse, and so can you. So, try to focus on the positive and work to change the negative, don't just whine.
 
Old 12-07-2008, 05:35 PM
 
Location: Portlandia "burbs"
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Ah, another example of America's "best and brightest", the "Love or Leave it" crowd, who dearly love conformity, and think Freedom is deciding which product to buy...
Chances are I've been here longer than you have. I may live simple but have everything I need and, while there are a few things about America that I don't like (some that YOU may actually disagree with me on), am a happy person.

And you bet your ass it's "Love It or Leave It"! I can't think of a better solution for those who are going to remain in a country they don't support.
 
Old 12-07-2008, 05:47 PM
 
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I've never "loved America" but I do like it a great deal, mainly because it's were I was born and where I am fluent in it's language and culture. But, having had the fortunate opportunity to visit and work in a number of other countries I could just as easily being writing that I like a great deal of them more where it not for an accident of birth. Therein lies the problem, as I see it, with the jingoistic "America the Greatest Country in the World" mantra. Absent the "for the grace of god, go I" nature of birth, one could be chanting "(fill in the country of choice) the Greatest Country in the World!" and from an objective point of view it would be hard to prove that you would be wrong.
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