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Old 02-20-2007, 05:19 PM
 
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The proof is in the pudding...these numbers are precisely the reason why people have been so up in arms over the AA based on racial preferences and are exactly the reason why it has been eliminated in Michigan. Obviously, under-qualified people were being admitted into colleges in MI and this is probably the case all over the US.

Walter Nowinski, Michigan Daily, Feb.19 2007

The acceptance rate of underrepresented minorities has plunged since the University was forced to stop using affirmative action in January, according to data provided by the University.
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It only admitted 33 percent of underrepresented minority applicants considered after the University stopped taking an applicant’s race into account—a decline of 43 percent. The acceptance rate of non-underrepresented minority applicants to the University also fell over the same period, but by a less dramatic amount. Sixty-four percent of non-underrepresented minority applicants considered before the ban took effect were admitted compared with about 40 percent afterwards—a decline of 24 percent.
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During the 2005-2006 admissions cycle, the acceptance rate for non-minority students declined by 12 percent from the end of December through early February.

This year, the picture was quite different.

The acceptance rate among underrepresented minorities declined at a much more dramatic rate than the rate of the applicant pool as a whole.

University spokeswoman Julie Peterson cautioned against attributing too much of the drop in underrepresented minority acceptance rate to the affirmative action ban and said it is too early to understand its effects.
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Before and after prop 2

76 Percent of underrepresented minority applicants accepted before the University stopped using affirmative action in early January

33Percent of underrepresented minority applicants accepted after the University stopped using affirmative action in early January

64Percent of underrepresented minority applicants accepted by Dec. 31 during the 05-06 cycle

84Percent of underrepresented minority applicants accepted after Dec. 31 during the 05-06 cycle
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Old 02-20-2007, 07:12 PM
 
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I must admit I am of two minds on the subject of affirmative action. I've seen it work, and I've seen it backfire.

But this is the most telling bit in your quote:

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University spokeswoman Julie Peterson cautioned against attributing too much of the drop in underrepresented minority acceptance rate to the affirmative action ban and said it is too early to understand its effects.
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Old 02-20-2007, 10:40 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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The proof is in the pudding...these numbers are precisely the reason why people have been so up in arms over the AA based on racial preferences and are exactly the reason why it has been eliminated in Michigan. Obviously, under-qualified people were being admitted into colleges in MI and this is probably the case all over the US.


Obvious to whom? Isn't it the slightest bit possible that the reason 'underrepresented minority acceptance' dropped is because the admissions offices now have the freedom to reject applicants based on their 'racial preferences'? I'm not saying that this is necessarily the case -I just think that it needs to be acknowledged as a possibility.

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Old 02-21-2007, 08:57 AM
 
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Yes, she said it's too early to know what will happen, but it's obvious from the numbers I just pointed out. If they use their regular criteria of accepting applicants based on qualifications instead of race--then magically we see how many have been admitted based soley on race. Dropping from 76% to 33% is not an insignificant drop and is not something that just happens from year to year. BTW--race is no longer a consideration, so they couldn't drop these people based on race, that is why this is happening. Being a Michigan resident, I found this article fascinating and eye-opening, even if many want to deny the obvious facts that are now in plain sight.
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Old 06-18-2010, 01:39 AM
 
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University of Michigan probably has many applicants from Detroit, which is poor and facing a tremendous amount of issues. If the majority of the minority candidates were coming from say...San Jose, there would probably be a higher minority acceptance rate than non minority. It also depends on what programs and total enrollment were cut in the downturn. Finally, Michigan in particular had a plan at one point that guaranteed state education to lifetime living Michiganders. If this funding was lost and the demographic spread of instate applications may have changed.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of AA because it continues to try to distinguish along the ever blurring lines of race, but the article truly doesn't seem to have collected enough facts to insinuate its determination.
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Old 06-18-2010, 04:04 AM
 
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Did it ever ocur to you that the reason the acceptance rate has dropped is because the MOST qualifed applicants are getting in REGARDLESS of race/ethnicity?
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Old 06-18-2010, 06:29 AM
 
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Did it ever ocur to you that the reason the acceptance rate has dropped is because the MOST qualifed applicants are getting in REGARDLESS of race/ethnicity?

I think you are confused.

The most qualified applicants ARE being accepted to the UofM, now that race has been excluded as a factor- i.e.- students are evaluated only on merits now, not race.

As a result of not having the additional "points" applied to being accepted due to being black or hispanic, fewer blacks and hispanics are being admitted. Obviously, this shows that many, many undeserving students were admitted purely because of the color of their skin.
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Old 06-18-2010, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Well another interesting data point would be to see the drop out rate during that time of AA.
If admitted because of race over grades, a question to ask is could they cut it for 4 years ?

You don't have a complete picture here with this article.
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Old 06-18-2010, 09:15 AM
 
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I think you are confused.

The most qualified applicants ARE being accepted to the UofM, now that race has been excluded as a factor- i.e.- students are evaluated only on merits now, not race.

As a result of not having the additional "points" applied to being accepted due to being black or hispanic, fewer blacks and hispanics are being admitted. Obviously, this shows that many, many undeserving students were admitted purely because of the color of their skin.
No, I think you and I are saying the same thing. I agree completely they most qualified are being accepted now because race is no longer a factor.
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Old 06-18-2010, 09:22 AM
 
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Another inconvenient truth for the libbies: that minorities don't perform well academically because education is simply not a priority in their culture.

This excludes Asians who take education very seriously.

Facts are facts, you cannot deny it or hide it or play the racist card if it's an undeniable truth. The only way this will change is if parents make education a priority for their children. That's a culture issue that schools and the government cannot change with racist quotas and affirmative action laws.
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