Would you trade the Bill of Rights for the UN declaration of human rights?

[Kracer]

You cannot be serious!

I won't even drink the Un-cola let alone the UN-Koolaid. Both unpalatable.

Amateur socialist wannabes who have no concept of freedom and fail to assume responsibility.

Better European countries should unify to become a world power, establish a military and police their own region of the world. Tired of all the nationalistic whining of mini countries that can hardly fill a school bus with military support in time of need. Sure, go make up all these rules and leave it to the US to be the world's protector. We don't need global anything, we need Europe, et al to step up and become effective world citizens.

The warrant out for GWB in CH is what you get.

[GTOlover]

Originally Posted by Convert 54

No county is perfect so how about providing some examples of other country's?

Let me see,,,,,,,,,,,,Zimbabwe and the genocide occurring.
How about Rwanda..............ring a bell.................Oh wait.Somalia, Saudi Arabia, Old Iraq........all staunch bastions of peace and good will. Absolute rights for women, and tolerance to anything different than the common religion

Certainly Russia, a great bastion of liberal common think complete with Gulag and the KGB............

Nope in reference to the OP, absolutely NOOT. Imperfect perhaps.....but most defiantly better than most......

yup it Gen. Romeo Dallaire was the commander of the U.N. forces

Seeing the situation in Rwanda deteriorating rapidly, Dallaire pleaded for logistical support and reinforcements of 2,000 soldiers for UNAMIR; he estimated that a total of 5,000 well-equipped troops would give the UN enough leverage to put an end to the killings. The UN Security Council refused.

The Security Council voted to reduce UNAMIR further to 270 troops.Since the UN mandate had not changed, the Belgian troops started evacuating, and the Europeans withdrew. (Sources: see Belgian press articles.) As the Belgians departed on 19 April, Dallaire felt an acute sense of betrayal; 'I stood there as the last Hercules left...and I thought that almost exactly fifty years to the day my father and my father-in-law had been fighting in Belgium to free the country from fascism, and there I was, abandoned by Belgian soldiers. So profoundly did I despise them for it...I found it inexcusable.

Following the withdrawal of Belgian forces, whom Dallaire considered his best-trained[11] and best-equipped, Dallaire consolidated his contingent of Pakistani, Canadian, Ghanaian, Tunisian, and Bangladeshi soldiers in urban areas and focused on providing areas of "safe control" in and around Kigali. Most of Dallaire's efforts were to defend specific areas where he knew Tutsis to be hiding. Dallaire's staff — including the U.N.'s unarmed observers — often relied on its U.N. credentials to save Tutsis, heading off Interahamwe attacks even while being outnumbered and outgunned. Dallaire's actions are credited with directly saving the lives of 32,000 persons of different races.

Dallaire gave the major force contributors different evaluations for their work. In his book, he gave the Tunisian and Ghanaian contingents high praise for their valiant and competent work. Ghana lost three peacekeepers. On the other hand, he criticized the Bangladeshi contingent for being poorly trained and poorly equipped. He was especially critical of the Bangladeshi contingent's leadership because of their incompetence and lack of loyalty to the mission and UN chain of command.

he became a hero here in Canada but to this day he lives with the guilt and shows why the U.N. is pretty useless all he wanted was 5000 additional well trained troops but politics got in the way and the U.N. said no.
to this day he is pretty out spoken on the U.N.


In 1996, Dallaire was made an Officer of the Legion of Merit of the United States, the highest military decoration available for award to foreigners, for his service in Rwanda. Dallaire was also awarded the inaugural Aegis Trust Award in 2002, and on October 10 of the same year, he was inducted as an Officer in the Order of Canada.

[GTOlover]

but on the other hand look at NATO forces in afghanistan who pledged troops to go over there and it is a whole diffrent story and it changes to a real allied fighting force that will back each other up and won't cut and run if they have to fight the reason the U.S. had to pulled back to air support role as it was because of the Iraq war which during 06 was when the troop surge happend so From January 2006 this is how it went and what nations stepped up to help fight in the absence U.S. military support

A NATO International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) force started to replace U.S troops in southern Afghanistan as part of Operation Enduring Freedom.[1] The British 16th Air Assault Brigade (later reinforced by Royal Marines) formed the core of the force in Southern Afghanistan, along with troops and helicopters from Australia, Canada and the Netherlands. The initial force consisted of roughly 3,300 British, [2] 2,500 Canadian, [3] 1,963 from the Netherlands, [4] 280 from Denmark, [5] 240 from Australia, [6] and 150 from Estonia [7]. Air support was provided by US, British, Dutch, Norwegian and French combat aircraft and helicopters.

Southern Afghanistan has faced in 2006 the deadliest spate in violence in the country since the ousting of the Taliban regime by U.S.-led forces in 2001, as the newly deployed NATO troops have battled resurgent militants. Operation Mountain Thrust was launched on May 17, 2006 with the purposes of rooting out Taliban forces. [8] Canadians were one of the leading combatants and the first fighting when the Battle of Panjwaii took place. Complex mud-walled compounds made the rural Panjwaii district take on an almost urban style of fighting in some places. Daily firefights, artillery bombardments, and allied airstrikes turned the tides of the battle in favour of the Canadians. On July 3, 2006 it was reported that British Army leaders were warning Prime Minister Tony Blair that victory was not yet certain in Afghanistan, and were calling for more reinforcements. [9] More than 1,100 Taliban fighters were killed and almost 400 captured in the month and a half long operation.

In July 2006, command of the international forces in southern Afghanistan was passed to NATO forces under the command of British General David J. Richards. Regional command in the south was led by Canadian General David Fraser. In November, 2006 Dutch Major-General Ton van Loon took over NATO Regional Command South in Afghanistan for a six months period from the Canadians.

but there is still Criticism of some NATO allies
Despite the deployment of British and Dutch forces (and smaller forces from smaller European countries such as Denmark and Estonia), the Canadians have shown frustration at the lack of support from other major European NATO countries. [18] Britain's defence secretary Des Browne shared criticism of those NATO allies for not sharing the burden.

Germany has ISAF ground troops in Afghanistan, but in the more secure north and resisted calls to help NATO forces apart from emergencies in the south. France also has troops in the more secure north, and has deployed special forces and made available close air support aircraft for operations in the south, but also did not deploy significant ground troops to the south. In August 2008 though, French troops had been involved in increased fighting after taking control of the Kabul regional command.

[lionking]

Forgot I made this thread, thanks for bringing it back. First of all I applogize for my lazy typing and spelling, back then I was lazy at typing. While I am not a champion speller, one thing this forum has made me improve on is spaces and some grammar....sometimes.


I just read again the articles in the UN declaration, it is laughable at some points. A lot of "should be" and promises in it but it has no teeth to back it up because the UN frowns on personal weapon ownership.

I ripped into the democrats in the first post and what I said still apllies but I have since become disallusioned with republicans also in many regards, because they play the same game often.