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View Poll Results: What do you think about domestic partnerships and civil unions for same-sex couples?
I am for domestic partnerships/civil unions that provide the same rights and benefits as marriage. 29 38.16%
I am for domestic partnerships/civil unions that provide some of the rights and benefits of marriage, but not all. 2 2.63%
I am only for full marriage equality. Separate is not equal. 31 40.79%
Same-sex relationships should not be legally recognized in any form, no matter what they're called. 14 18.42%
Voters: 76. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-12-2008, 10:01 AM
 
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We actually feel bad about it. He told me that he doesn't want to get married until the gay community has as much rights as we would as a married couple, on the federal level.
Wow - on a federal level? That's better than even Brad and Angelina!
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Old 11-12-2008, 10:04 AM
 
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Wow - on a federal level? That's better than even Brad and Angelina!

Yeah, looks like I'm going to be unmarried for a long time Luckily, I'm okay with that
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Old 11-12-2008, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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So you believe that men's restrooms and ladies restrooms are not equal? Should they be separate?
Let's not get silly here.

In any case, I've heard that men's restrooms smell more like urine but that's not my battle to fight.
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Old 11-12-2008, 11:23 AM
 
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I see. Is that a reason for having the law be any different? And by the same token, should all couples who must adopt to have children, including the infertile or the elderly, be barred from one aspect of marriage?
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regardless of the "technical" argument you may impose
What you are doing is now "picking" at it leading away from the meaning to proclaim a problem.

The fact of the matter is, the relationship between man and woman produces offspring and it was "one" of the reasons for this historically. Bringing up specific situations where man and woman may not be able to produce doesn't change the fact that man and man do not produce a bloodline, nor does woman and woman, ever.

Changing the definition is not the answer, strengthening the laws of domestic partnership is. After all, the entire issue centers around the legalities of it, shouldn't that be the focus? If calling it "marriage" is what they want, they are free to call it personally anything they want, but I fail to see the logic or their issue that words be redefined to fit their demands. Many would call that arrogant and pushy which is why they may be having a hard time with this in the first place.
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Old 11-12-2008, 07:04 PM
 
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The libertarian part of my mind really agrees with you, but we also have to be realistic here.

Right now, there are thousands of laws pertaining to marriage. There are tens of thousands more policies that private institutions have: hospitals have different visitation based on marriage, companies extend benefits based on marriage, and therapists specialize in marriage counseling differently than mere relationship counseling -- just to name a few.

I wouldn't mind living in a world where "marriage" isn't in the government's vocabulary, but the fact is that legal infrastructure is in place in every state and every country regarding marriage. It is a far greater enterprise to try to deconstruct all those laws and policies than it is to simply extend the existing legal infrastructure to everyone.
Don't you think that determining all these laws based on a promise of sexual fidelity is odd?
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