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That seems to be the story on the news every single evening. Yet every night they also show SUVs they can't sell being assembled. Well yea, they are going to run out of cash, but with a stupid business model of "lets make a whole bunch of stuff we can't sell" why in hell should the tax payers bail them out?
That seems to be the story on the news every single evening. Yet every night they also show SUVs they can't sell being assembled. Well yea, they are going to run out of cash, but with a stupid business model of "lets make a whole bunch of stuff we can't sell" why in hell should the tax payers bail them out?
or, let's make a whole bunch of stuff that idiots have purchased in the past.
Screw GM...I understand that we have to keep auto workers working, but GM has to have ultimatums. No more gas guzzling monstrosities GM. No more crushing cars like the EV1 GM. No more sucking up to big oil GM. No more keeping the USA in the dinosaur age GM. No more obscene CEO bonuses GM. Get with the program GM or I'd rather revert back to a horse and buggy. You know what? Screw all of the morons that purchased GM's shameful, oversized hunks of metal.
or, let's make a whole bunch of stuff that idiots have purchased in the past.
Screw GM...I understand that we have to keep auto workers working, but GM has to have ultimatums. No more gas guzzling monstrosities GM. No more crushing cars like the EV1 GM. No more sucking up to big oil GM. No more keeping the USA in the dinosaur age GM. No more obscene CEO bonuses GM. Get with the program GM or I'd rather revert back to a horse and buggy. You know what? Screw all of the morons that purchased GM's shameful, oversized hunks of metal.
it costs money to retool, which is part of the problem, the government required them to retool to meet new mileage regulations, then our economy went to hell. Tough time to have a mandated increase in spending by our government. The other side of the blade is the unions bleeding the company to death.
The other side of the blade is the unions bleeding the company to death.
Yeah, everyone always pi**es and moans about the $1,000/car that they pay for health benefits. No one ever brings up the $2,000 PLUS that they have to pay for ADVERTISING the c**p they build. As opposed to the $350 or so per car that Honda spends on advertising!
Although I must admit that American brand cars are pretty much on a par with the Japanese brands any more.
We aren't talking about making an example of Taco John's here, people. Millions of jobs (both GM/Ford jobs, and auxillary jobs) and a big part of our national security are on the line. Give them the short-term money that they need. Let the government gain stability when Congress reconvenes next January so a lame duck Washington doesn't make rash decisions. Let the government make the good decisions that the GM/Ford heads didn't.
The Ford plant here in Saint Paul runs on hydroelectricity right from the Mississippi and is located in the heart of one of the greenest cities in America, and they are going to shut the whole damn thing down. Maybe it will take a few billion dollars and some decisions from Washington that would make the Ranger plant the new hybrid car plant. What better marketing could they need? A company making good decisions would not shutter that plant. So gut the management and let the government take it over.
or, let's make a whole bunch of stuff that idiots have purchased in the past.
Screw GM...I understand that we have to keep auto workers working, but GM has to have ultimatums. No more gas guzzling monstrosities GM. No more crushing cars like the EV1 GM. No more sucking up to big oil GM. No more keeping the USA in the dinosaur age GM. No more obscene CEO bonuses GM. Get with the program GM or I'd rather revert back to a horse and buggy. You know what? Screw all of the morons that purchased GM's shameful, oversized hunks of metal.
Why do we HAVE to keep auto workers working? Yet on the other side of your plan, you seem to want to dictate what companies produce. You are introducing your value system by such phrases as "gas guzzling monstrosities". I say let GM fail if it cannot run as a viable business and let the marketplace sort it out. The workers would have to find employment elsewhere, including the executives.
Have you checked the retail sector lately? Everyone but WalMart is going down the tubes. Must we "HAVE to keep those workers working" too?
Shall you dictate what those companies can sell?
All of these bailouts have become a slush fund for the political types. Their line of credit keeps increasing.
it costs money to retool, which is part of the problem, the government required them to retool to meet new mileage regulations, then our economy went to hell. Tough time to have a mandated increase in spending by our government. The other side of the blade is the unions bleeding the company to death.
I think you need to to do a bit more research. Late now, but tomorrow I'll provide some links. I don't know where you are getting your info from, but it is not accurate.
Why do we HAVE to keep auto workers working? Yet on the other side of your plan, you seem to want to dictate what companies produce. You are introducing your value system by such phrases as "gas guzzling monstrosities". I say let GM fail if it cannot run as a viable business and let the marketplace sort it out. The workers would have to find employment elsewhere, including the executives.
Have you checked the retail sector lately? Everyone but WalMart is going down the tubes. Must we "HAVE to keep those workers working" too?
Shall you dictate what those companies can sell?
All of these bailouts have become a slush fund for the political types. Their line of credit keeps increasing.
I think it is important to keep some kind of manufacturing in the USA. Yes, if my tax dollars are going to bail them out, why would I not want to dictate what they produce? I don't think that I stand alone on this issue. My value system? Tell me what is right and what has worked well by producing big vehicles that enriched big oil and contributed to screwing up the environment.
Walmart sucks and anyone that supports them is unpatriotic! They are a major player in messing up our economy...with their unfair labor practices, putting mom and pop businesses out of business and bringing in poisonous products from China. I'm pretty sure that my post stated that Bailouts should be conditional. What's with your attitude anyway?
Last edited by sickofnyc; 11-14-2008 at 12:29 AM..
I think you need to to do a bit more research. Late now, but tomorrow I'll provide some links. I don't know where you are getting your info from, but it is not accurate.
let me prempt your notion with a bit of news.
The Wall Street Journal Classroom Edition (http://wsjclassroom.com/archive/06may/auto2_jobsbank.htm - broken link)
employees paid $100,000 per year to do um.... nothing?
"domestic automakers figure that it will cost them $83 billion to meet the new regulations"
how are they NOT being bled dry to meet all of these costs? I am amazed they are still alive and twitching (sorta)
this was a perfect storm for them, the new CAFE regulations on top of the absolutely ridiculous requirements for the unions and the economy turning south when GM, Ford, and Chrysler NEED to have cars sold to make ends meet. No wonder why the foreign companies are doing OK, and more automotive plants are moving over seas.
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