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Old 12-04-2008, 08:11 AM
 
Location: PA
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Who cares, focus on his policies and how they effect you.
Review the mans plans and how it effects you and your neighbors.
What is his vision of America?
What is his vision of taxes, wars, and the size of the government.

How many personal and economic liberties will he destroy?
Does he understand and follow the constitution, bill of rights and the reasons for them.

 
Old 12-04-2008, 08:17 AM
 
Location: state of enlightenment
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Well, here we go again. F#X Nazi News Network is stirring up the cretins with its phony outrage again. Anything to distract attention from the catastrophe they're sponsors brought to this country.
 
Old 12-04-2008, 08:21 AM
 
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Who cares, focus on his policies and how they effect you.
Review the mans plans and how it effects you and your neighbors.
What is his vision of America?
What is his vision of taxes, wars, and the size of the government.

How many personal and economic liberties will he destroy?
Does he understand and follow the constitution, bill of rights and the reasons for them.
I'm a bit more optimistic towards Obama.

Granted, there is much I disagree with and his rhetoric does have that socialist smell, I think he is more realistic than his words suggest.

First, under Bush debate such as whether or not torture is acceptable got started, I find that much more disturbing than praise for the New Deal. Secondly, occasionally Obama has slip-ups, but his slip-ups give me hope, like when he said that he wished that the US had as many engineers as lawyers. I was quite pleased with that.
 
Old 12-04-2008, 09:31 AM
 
Location: PA
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Well, here we go again. F#X Nazi News Network is stirring up the cretins with its phony outrage again. Anything to distract attention from the catastrophe they're sponsors brought to this country.

While I hate Fox news I find your, "Eat the Rich, Go Socialism" line your profile more disturbing.
Remember the real catastriphe was from those who thought money grows on tree and you can pay for everything and anything.
Sounds alot like socialism, facism and corporatism all of which need BIG GOVERNMENT which is why I dont like either propoganda from big government supports like yourself.
 
Old 12-05-2008, 10:08 PM
 
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Who cares, focus on his policies and how they effect you.
Review the mans plans and how it effects you and your neighbors.
What is his vision of America?
What is his vision of taxes, wars, and the size of the government.

How many personal and economic liberties will he destroy?
Does he understand and follow the constitution, bill of rights and the reasons for them.
true, but when you have a future president that refuses to put his hand over his heart to the Pledge of Allegiance , his actions are speaking louder than words.


TO ME THATS AN ISSUE
 
Old 12-05-2008, 10:15 PM
 
Location: state of enlightenment
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“As I’ve said about the flag pin, I don’t want to be perceived as taking sides,” Obama said. “There are a lot of people in the world to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression. And the anthem itself conveys a war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air and all. It should be swapped for something less parochial and less bellicose. I like the song ‘I’d Like to Teach the World to Sing.’ If that were our anthem, then I might salute it.”
I'll vote for that!

That F#X Nazi News phony outrage is really getting old.
 
Old 12-05-2008, 10:21 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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true, but when you have a future president that refuses to put his hand over his heart to the Pledge of Allegiance , his actions are speaking louder than words.

TO ME THATS AN ISSUE
I guess you didn't read any of the links or watch any of the other videos I posted. Your statement in Post #1 was false.

He puts his hand over his heart and recites the pledge. There is video of him leading the entire Senate in the Pledge

He stands for the National Anthem.
 
Old 12-05-2008, 10:24 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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YouTube - Obama leads Pledge

What's that then? Oh look, it's Obama leading the Pledge in the Senate... but I thought he refuses to do that?

Just because you say it, doesn't make it true.
 
Old 12-05-2008, 10:26 PM
 
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YouTube - Obama leads Pledge

What's that then?

Just because you say it, doesn't make it true.
so whats this then?


YouTube - Barack Hussein Obama refuses to salute US flag

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Old 12-05-2008, 10:29 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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I will repeat:

That is video of one occasion of Obama standing respectfully at attention without his hand over his heart during the National Anthem.

That is not Obama verbally stating that he does not stand for the Pledge or the National Anthem. He is, in fact, standing up.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/stance.asp

Obama himself directly addressing the issue:

YouTube - Democratic Debate

Here is another snopes article regarding the video you linked:
snopes.com: Barack Obama and the National Anthem

At the bottom of the article, they provide two videos from Obama's time in the Senate reciting the Pledge of Allegiance.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FfnOrGmRhg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIyBw...eature=related
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