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Go for it, Dems. They do realize, don't they, that an investigation will take down a whole lot of Dems, as well, and create a Washington circus at a time when the country needs trauma teams, not circus troupes.
But, yep, go for it. Show your true colors, how you're more concerned about egos and partisanship than America, and make it plain for the American public.
That's what the Republicans did over Clinton's sex life(while some of them were bonking women who were not their wives...talk about a circus!)
Do you think someone's sex life is more imporatnt than:
(1) improper politicization of the Justice Department and the U.S. Attorneys offices, including potential misuse of authority with regard to election and voting controversies;
(2) misuse of executive branch authority and the adoption and implementation of the so-called unitary executive theory, including in the areas of presidential signing statements and regulatory authority;
(3) misuse of investigatory and detention authority with regard to U.S. citizens and foreign nationals, including questions regarding the legality of the administration’s surveillance, detention, interrogation, and rendition programs;
(4) manipulation of intelligence and misuse of war powers, including possible misrepresentations to Congress related thereto;
(5) improper retaliation against administration critics, including disclosing information concerning CIA operative Valerie Plame, and obstruction of justice related thereto; and
(6) misuse of authority in denying Congress and the American people the ability to oversee and scrutinize conduct within the administration, including through the use of various asserted privileges and immunities."""""""""""""""""
Remember what repubs say about the bush wiretapping and spying ?
If you haven't done anything wrong you don't have to worry!!!
Forgive and forget? America was robbed the last 8 years, these criminals robbed the USA to stuff their pockets, they dont care how many lives they destroyed, I hope something is done, they need to be punished
If it takes down a bunch of Democrats then so be it.
An investigation into whether Bush committed any crimes or broke laws isn't a left-right thing, it is a right-wrong thing. If we accept law breakers just because they share our politics then we no longer care about principles as a nation, we only care about our own self interest.
First off, it's doubtful that Bush actually broke laws and it would be an expensive exercise to "find out." (nasty images of Ken Starr re-emerge, and what good did THAT do the country?) A "war time" President gets the benefit of the doubt in exercising power and a President dealing with terrorist attacks was in uncharted territory.
Secondly, don't you think that if the Dems COULD prove major crimes that they would have done so long ago? Logically, either there were no major crimes OR there weren't any crimes big enough to justify taking down most of Washington's major players.
The media is squawking "bravely" about this because they can, because the Bush Administration is about over, and because they think people aren't smart enough to see through the smokescreen of righteous indignation.
So you are O.K. with our treasury secretary, who is actually in charge of tax collection, being a tax cheat?
Were you aware that that is a violation of the Constitution. In fact it violates the very definition of the 16th ammendment.
If you or I did what he did, we would be jailed and fined.
I guess that if Geitner were an American corporation he would be considered too big to fail.
I also would have to assume by the way Obama is defending him, that somehow Obama thinks that this is normal.
Unfortunately, the leftists live by two sets of rules...those they apply to themselves and those they apply to everyone else. I guess paying taxes is only a legality in the leftie universe if you are nominated to be treasury secretary. Much like hussein's nominee, who only paid up when hussein called. Great bunch of law-abiding, Constitution-upholding thugs they are.
But since there isn't, then there should be no prosecutions.
It seems that there are some out there who disagree with you.
SENATE ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE INQUIRY INTO THE TREATMENT OF DETAINEES IN U.S. CUSTODY
"(U) The abuse of detainees in U.S. custody cannot simply be attributed to the actions of "a few bad apples" acting on their own. The fact is that senior officials in the United States government solicited information on how to use aggressive techniques, redefined the law to create the appearance of their legality, and authorized their use against detainees. Those efforts damaged our ability to collect accurate intelligence that could save lives, strengthened the hand of our enemies, and compromised our moral authority. This report is a product of the Committee’s inquiry into how those unfortunate results came about."
First off, it's doubtful that Bush actually broke laws and it would be an expensive exercise to "find out." (nasty images of Ken Starr re-emerge, and what good did THAT do the country?) A "war time" President gets the benefit of the doubt in exercising power and a President dealing with terrorist attacks was in uncharted territory.
Secondly, don't you think that if the Dems COULD prove major crimes that they would have done so long ago? Logically, either there were no major crimes OR there weren't any crimes big enough to justify taking down most of Washington's major players.
The media is squawking "bravely" about this because they can, because the Bush Administration is about over, and because they think people aren't smart enough to see through the smokescreen of righteous indignation.
I don't give a darn about how uncomfortable it makes anyone, if our law makers and leaders have broke the law, then they should be prosecuted accordingly. The point of an investigation is to determine whether laws have been broken.
The reasons charges have yet to be brought is simply obfuscation, stall tactics, and outright refusal to cooperate with investigations so far. How many subpoena's have been refused, more than a couple so far. So Democrats have had little effect in bringing about charges in the first place when their investigations are being ran by the same people that are being investigated.
You call it "righteous indignation" I call it justice, but then again, I care more about America, the constitution and our principles than I do about mere party politics.
First off, it's doubtful that Bush actually broke laws and it would be an expensive exercise to "find out." (nasty images of Ken Starr re-emerge, and what good did THAT do the country?) A "war time" President gets the benefit of the doubt in exercising power and a President dealing with terrorist attacks was in uncharted territory.
Bush has admitted violating the law. He has admitted violating FISA, though he claims that the authorization to use force in Iraq gave him the ability to spy on Americans in violation of American law. He has also admitted to waterboarding at least one detainee. So no, it's not doubtful that he actually violated laws as he has clearly stated he is guilty.
Ken Starr harmed America because the Clinton impeachment was a witch hunt - they set out to get him on something, without knowing what it would be. They finally caught him on a stupid lie very deep into the effort. Very different circumstances.
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Originally Posted by teatime
Secondly, don't you think that if the Dems COULD prove major crimes that they would have done so long ago? Logically, either there were no major crimes OR there weren't any crimes big enough to justify taking down most of Washington's major players.
They haven't had the backbone to do it. They also don't have the gall of the GOP to do it. That doesn't have anything to do with whether Bush broke the law. Since he has admitted it, it seems rather silly to be coming up with circumstantial evidence that perhaps he didn't.
The reasons charges have yet to be brought is simply obfuscation, stall tactics, and outright refusal to cooperate with investigations so far. How many subpoena's have been refused, more than a couple so far. So Democrats have had little effect in bringing about charges in the first place when their investigations are being ran by the same people that are being investigated.
You bring up the most salient point. Once the offenders are out of office and have no power they won't be able to hide behind 'executive privilege" any more when the long arm of the law comes calling.
Could that have been the rationale for Pelosi saying that the Democrats would not seek impeachment in 2007 and sticking by it? I think it may have had a lot to do with it.
Unfortunately, the leftists live by two sets of rules...those they apply to themselves and those they apply to everyone else. I guess paying taxes is only a legality in the leftie universe if you are nominated to be treasury secretary. Much like hussein's nominee, who only paid up when hussein called. Great bunch of law-abiding, Constitution-upholding thugs they are.
That's
PRESIDENT Hussein
""""Unfortunately, the leftists live by two sets of rules...those they apply to themselves and those they apply to everyone else.""""
You bring up the most salient point. Once the offenders are out of office and have no power they won't be able to hide behind 'executive privilege" any more when the long arm of the law comes calling.
Could that have been the rationale for Pelosi saying that the Democrats would not seek impeachment in 2007 and sticking by it? I think it may have had a lot to do with it.
That is likely one of the primary reasons but I suspect as mentioned before that there are likely Democrats would end up tangled in this as well. There were Democrats complicit with the Bush administration and who did turn a blind eye to things they cry foul over now. Whatever the case may be, I only hope that the law is applied equally and without partisanship.
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