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I just watched that video. He starts off with a bunch of patriotic platitudes then segues into veiled calls for a military draft,drafts for people to work for his government and then he mentions with an aggressive voice that we must have a civillian security force that's just as well funded and equipped as the military. This is the same rhetoric Stalin and Hitler used to get people to serve their governments.
I think you're insinuating that Obama's mention of a civillian security force refers to his goals for Americorp and other organizations. Cleaning up oil spills is a completely different occupation from security work.
Glad you brought this up. The "aggressive voice" you heard is a sound edit - the sound turned up, for emphasis for the listeners - by the person who put the video up (or whoever he ripped it from). Just as you've heard the "Civilian Military Force" rumor, so have others, and it spread via manipulation of videos like the sound in this one plus inflammatory titles and copy. This is the full speech, but there are dozens and dozens of clips of the few minutes, or even moments, before and after the "Civilian Force" statement.
I dont insinuate.
I'm sorry you were impatient with the beginning of the speech, misunderstood the meat of it and didnt hear the whole thing. Here is a link to the text of the speech. Maybe if you just read it at your leisure and in your own head you can make better sense of it; that generally works for me.
Conservative News and Reporting "News for the Rest of Us"
Michele Chang
Secretary of Defense Robert Gates is extremely frustrated with orders that the White House is contemplating. According to sources at the Pentagon, including all branches of the armed forces, the Obama Administration may break with a centuries-old tradition.
A spokesman for General James Cartwright, the Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, states that the Obama Administration wants to have soldiers and officers pledge a loyalty oath directly to the office of the President, and no longer to the Constitution.
"The oath to the Constitution is as old as the document itself." the spokesman said, "At no time in American history, not even in the Civil War, did the oath change or the subject of the oath differ. It has always been to the Constitution."
The back-and-forth between the White House and the Defense Department was expected as President George W. Bush left office. President Obama has already signed orders to close Guantanamo and to pull combat troops from Iraq. But, this, say many at the Defense Department, goes to far.
"Technically, we can't talk about it before it becomes official policy." the spokesman continued. "However, the Defense Department, including the Secretary, will not take this laying down. Expect a fight from the bureaucracy and the brass."
Sources at the White House had a different point of view. In a circular distributed by White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs, the rationale for the change was made more clear.
"The President feels that the military has been too indoctrinated by the old harbingers of hate: nationalism, racism, and classism. By removing an oath to the American society, the soldiers are less likely to commit atrocities like those at Abu Ghraib."
"We expect a lot of flak over this," the classified memo continues. "But those that would be most against it are those looking either for attention or control."
The time frame for the changes are unknown. However, it is more likely that the changes will be made around the July 4th holiday, in order to dampen any potential backlash. The difference in the oath will actually only be slight. The main differences will be the new phrasing. It is expected that the oath to the Constitution will be entirely phased out within two years.
This is very bothersome, I am not sure what to think of it. It seems that this is the sort of thing that could put the military in a must choose situation and I am not sure they would or should pledge loyalty to the POTUS instead of the constitution.
I'm not at all surprised that this thread is still going despite the fact that I pointed out that changing any oath requires Congressional approval... but hey.
"the Obama Administration may break with a centuries-old tradition."
Just as a matter of trivia, the oath has been changed on numerous occasions, all through Congressional action,:
Conservative News and Reporting "News for the Rest of Us"
Michele Chang
Secretary of Defense Robert Gates is extremely frustrated with orders that the White House is contemplating. According to sources at the Pentagon, including all branches of the armed forces, the Obama Administration may break with a centuries-old tradition.
A spokesman for General James Cartwright, the Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, states that the Obama Administration wants to have soldiers and officers pledge a loyalty oath directly to the office of the President, and no longer to the Constitution.
"The oath to the Constitution is as old as the document itself." the spokesman said, "At no time in American history, not even in the Civil War, did the oath change or the subject of the oath differ. It has always been to the Constitution."
The back-and-forth between the White House and the Defense Department was expected as President George W. Bush left office. President Obama has already signed orders to close Guantanamo and to pull combat troops from Iraq. But, this, say many at the Defense Department, goes to far.
"Technically, we can't talk about it before it becomes official policy." the spokesman continued. "However, the Defense Department, including the Secretary, will not take this laying down. Expect a fight from the bureaucracy and the brass."
Sources at the White House had a different point of view. In a circular distributed by White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs, the rationale for the change was made more clear.
"The President feels that the military has been too indoctrinated by the old harbingers of hate: nationalism, racism, and classism. By removing an oath to the American society, the soldiers are less likely to commit atrocities like those at Abu Ghraib."
"We expect a lot of flak over this," the classified memo continues. "But those that would be most against it are those looking either for attention or control."
The time frame for the changes are unknown. However, it is more likely that the changes will be made around the July 4th holiday, in order to dampen any potential backlash. The difference in the oath will actually only be slight. The main differences will be the new phrasing. It is expected that the oath to the Constitution will be entirely phased out within two years.
This is very bothersome, I am not sure what to think of it. It seems that this is the sort of thing that could put the military in a must choose situation and I am not sure they would or should pledge loyalty to the POTUS instead of the constitution.
Disinformation spoon fed to embarrass & discredit the site.
ETA: Any site that naive is a not to trusted.
Incompetence hurts.
Last edited by gbear48; 01-29-2009 at 06:20 PM..
Reason: Additional comment
It wouldn't surprise me. They were selling Obama nazi-style armbands after the election for $10 bucks.
The media promotes this guy like he's the messiah. They receive memos directly from the White House every morning for propaganda talking points. Then schools are promoting him with chapters in their books devoted strictly to Obama, Obama handouts, making kids draw Obama, making kids sing songs about Obama (even in Canada), making kids say the pledge with a picture of Obama in front of the flag, etc. And don't forget, Obama himself said, "We must have a civilian security force that's just as well funded and equipped as the military." All of this is documented but you won't see it on MSM because they're owned by Obama.
hahaha. Funny that there are actually people who believe this. Must be sad to exist everyday thinking a guy who just paid off his student loans owns the entire media.
and why do people blame Obama for messing up the oath? It was Roberts. Obama tried to correct him. People just want failure. Sad, really.
It wouldn't surprise me. They were selling Obama nazi-style armbands after the election for $10 bucks.
The media promotes this guy like he's the messiah. They receive memos directly from the White House every morning for propaganda talking points. Then schools are promoting him with chapters in their books devoted strictly to Obama, Obama handouts, making kids draw Obama, making kids sing songs about Obama (even in Canada), making kids say the pledge with a picture of Obama in front of the flag, etc. And don't forget, Obama himself said, "We must have a civilian security force that's just as well funded and equipped as the military." All of this is documented but you won't see it on MSM because they're owned by Obama.
Glad you brought this up. The "aggressive voice" you heard is a sound edit - the sound turned up, for emphasis for the listeners - by the person who put the video up (or whoever he ripped it from). Just as you've heard the "Civilian Military Force" rumor, so have others, and it spread via manipulation of videos like the sound in this one plus inflammatory titles and copy. This is the full speech, but there are dozens and dozens of clips of the few minutes, or even moments, before and after the "Civilian Force" statement.
I dont insinuate.
I'm sorry you were impatient with the beginning of the speech, misunderstood the meat of it and didnt hear the whole thing. Here is a link to the text of the speech. Maybe if you just read it at your leisure and in your own head you can make better sense of it; that generally works for me.
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