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Old 02-07-2009, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Yes
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Why in the world would it be one of the sensible things? Spending on the constructing of new schools and/or repairing & updating of old school buildings is not only stimulative ... but grossly needed. I mean, that seemed like one of the sure-fire things that would not only cause instant jobs, but also set a better foundation for the future of our public education system. Why, of all the crazy things in this bill that we will be spending on anyway, was this taken out during the "compromise"?

It makes no sense to me. Being a former inner-city school teacher, I'm on the verge of actually being mad about this. Could they not cut out something else during the compromise? Do most people know the current conditions public school students have to learn in?

If anything, we needed something in this stimulus that helps not only make our classrooms 21st century ready (which would provide numerous construction and technology jobs), but for the love of God - can we ever get the needed money to create more teaching jobs to lower our standard insane student-teacher ratio one day?

/semi-rant over.
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Old 02-07-2009, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Why in the world would it be one of the sensible things? Spending on the constructing of new and/or repairing & updating of old school buildings is not only stimulative ... but grossly needed. I mean, that seemed like one of the sure-fire things that would not only cause instant jobs, but also set a better foundation for the future of our public education system. Why, of all the crazy things in this bill that we will be spending on anyway, was this taken out during the "compromise"?

It makes no sense to me. Being a former inner-city school teacher, I'm on the verge of actually being mad about this. Could they not cut out something else during the compromise? Do most people know the current conditions public school students have to learn in?

If anything, we needed something in this stimulus that helps not only make our classrooms 21st century ready (which would provide numerous construction and technology jobs), but for the love of God - can we ever get the needed money to create more teaching jobs to lower our standard insane student-teacher ratio one day?

/semi-rant over.
During the eight years that GWB was in office, spending on education increased by a half. Liberals love to point out that GWB created huge deficits, so which is it?
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Old 02-07-2009, 02:48 PM
 
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During the eight years that GWB was in office, spending on education increased by a half. Liberals love to point out that GWB created huge deficits, so which is it?
Am I a liberal? No. Did I say anything about Bush? No.

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Old 02-07-2009, 02:50 PM
 
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Looks like it'll be moved over to state and local funding. Good luck getting out-of-work taxpayers to buy new schools and modernize old ones.
Most of the cuts that led to the deal — about $85 billion — came from reduced spending on school construction (a $19 billion proposal was zeroed out), teacher funding and higher education. The negotiators also cut provisions that the Congressional Budget Office said diffused less than 10% of funds into the economy within 18 months — for example, shrinking Head Start and a program to make federal buildings more energy efficient. "The Democrats wanted to see a lot of education funding and the Republicans generally argued that the programs, while worthwhile, should go through the regular appropriations process," Collins said. "Or in the case of the $19 billion for school construction there's a real case on whether that's a federal role or a local and state role." Tax cuts and other finance provisions allowed the negotiators to slash another $25 billion.
Barely Bipartisan But a Senate Stimulus Deal is Done - TIME
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Old 02-07-2009, 02:51 PM
 
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It's not something that belong in a stimulus need immediately. If you want to invest in school later when we have a better grip rock on. It has a huge long term influence but very small short term.
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Old 02-07-2009, 02:59 PM
 
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Looks like it'll be moved over to state and local funding. Good luck getting out-of-work taxpayers to buy new schools and modernize old ones.
Most of the cuts that led to the deal — about $85 billion — came from reduced spending on school construction (a $19 billion proposal was zeroed out), teacher funding and higher education. The negotiators also cut provisions that the Congressional Budget Office said diffused less than 10% of funds into the economy within 18 months — for example, shrinking Head Start and a program to make federal buildings more energy efficient. "The Democrats wanted to see a lot of education funding and the Republicans generally argued that the programs, while worthwhile, should go through the regular appropriations process," Collins said. "Or in the case of the $19 billion for school construction there's a real case on whether that's a federal role or a local and state role." Tax cuts and other finance provisions allowed the negotiators to slash another $25 billion.
Barely Bipartisan But a Senate Stimulus Deal is Done - TIME
In the state that I come from (not the state I currently reside in), voters consistently shot down any chance at implementing a lottery to help education. They also consistently shot down any kind of tax hike (even if extremely minute) to help out education. And then the residents complain of how we were almost always last in the nation when it came to eductaion.

It always baffled me, especially when our next door neighbor states had lotteries and a bit higher taxes - and the school systems were in much better standing. But apparently lotteries promote sin and paying 1/4 of a penny more on the dollar robs families of their wealth.

Meanwhile, as a teacher in that state, I had to spend out of my own pocket to get the equipment to be able to show a freggin' Powerpoint presentation in my classroom so it could seem somewhat 21st century. All this while our fed dollars were going to a failing NCLB system (don't get me started on that piece of crap).
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Old 02-07-2009, 03:09 PM
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It seems to me, for a start... parents could work on just being better parents and taking more of a role in their children's education. Especially any out of work parents should be spending that extra time with their kids, either volunteering at their schools or helping them at home to do their homework.
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Old 02-07-2009, 03:11 PM
 
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It seems to me, for a start... parents could work on just being better parents and taking more of a role in their children's education. Especially any out of work parents should be spending that extra time with their kids, either volunteering at their schools or helping them at home to do their homework.
That's good and dandy and I completely agree ... but that still doesn't help schools that have a 30/1 student-teacher ratio and do not have classrooms that come anywhere close to mirroring today's technological advances.
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Old 02-07-2009, 03:15 PM
 
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That's good and dandy and I completely agree ... but that still doesn't help schools that have a 30/1 student-teacher ratio and do not have classrooms that come anywhere close to mirroring today's technological advances.
Many people dont want to pay taxes if they're not personally benefiting....
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Old 02-07-2009, 03:32 PM
 
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Many people dont want to pay taxes if they're not personally benefiting....
... yep, and then complain when an uneducated and underequipped society drains them much worse than a modest tax hike ever could.
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