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Old 02-09-2009, 11:49 AM
 
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It's hard to understand how in this day and age people still confuse economics with race.
Your orthodoxy doesn't stand up under scrutiny. Wherever did you learn it? Have you ever studied it?

Ireland was "poor" with "no hope" for 800 years, yet they never turned to savagery. West Virginia is poor, has low educational levels and achievement, but is non-violent. It's 98% white.
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Old 02-09-2009, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Sorry I doubt better schools will help.

The issue is the drug culture embedded in these areas.
Not to mention the glorification of thuggery which passes for music and "hip hop culture."

There is no single segment of society more hypocritical than multimillionaire rappers who preach hopelessness, disprespect, and violence to their brothers and sisters.

Kids in these areas are being educated just fine. They're learning to hate and to hurt. Their schools are their earbuds. Their teachers are the so-called "artists" who pick up Grammy awards and relentlessly inject our society with filth like this....

You can catch me in the hood, up to no good
With that Mac like right beside me
I ain't by no n1ggaz eyeing my figures
Deprive me of my life, try me
I'ma rip up tissue, homie I won't miss you
This'll be the day that ya dying
n1ggah I'm violent
Ya hearing the sirens, once that ass silence
For fugging with me, n1gga I'm violent
Cause I'm so tired of these wannabe riders trying to touch Obie
Cause n1gga I'm violent
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Old 02-09-2009, 11:51 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Again from the second link:

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In a story almost without precedent, CBS identified Chicago’s high murder rate as almost totally gang related and geographically isolated. In modern America, that identifies these as war deaths in the War on Some Drugs, and not “gun deaths” as the media likes to frame the argument (to vilify firearms and create public fear).
With surprising candor, CBS announced, “Gang and gun violence continue to be the dominating threat on our streets," according to a police e-mail to CBS. "Up to 60 percent of the shootings are gang related. More than 90 percent of the offenders have criminal histories and up to 80 percent of the victims have criminal histories."
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Old 02-09-2009, 11:53 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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It makes you realize gun violence figures in our nation are skewed by urban regions that most of the population do not live in...
Moderator cut: link removed, linking to competitors sites is not allowed - Firearms Death Rate per 100,000 (most recent) by state

Looking at per capita numbers, I don't know about that.

Rank States Amount (top to bottom)
#1 District of Columbia: 31.2
#2 Alaska: 20
#3 Louisiana: 19.5
#4 Wyoming: 18.8
#5 Arizona: 18
#6 Nevada: 17.3
#7 Mississippi: 17.3
#8 New Mexico: 16.6
#9 Arkansas: 16.3
#10 Alabama: 16.2

#11 Tennessee: 15.4
#12 West Virginia: 14.7

#13 Montana: 14.5
#14 South Carolina: 13.8
#15 North Carolina: 13.6
#16 Georgia: 13.4
#17 Kentucky: 13.1
#18 Oklahoma: 13.1
#19 Missouri: 12.3
#20 Idaho: 12.3

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Old 02-09-2009, 11:56 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Newtoli,I am unsure what you are trying to get across,that urban areas aren't high gun crime regions???
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Old 02-09-2009, 11:59 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Newtoli,I am unsure what you are trying to get across,that urban areas aren't high gun crime regions???
A lot of the states in the Top 20 don't even have a large "Urban" area, yet rank higher than states that do...

There may be 500 gun murders in DC and 2 in Podunk, WY. Per capita there are more gun murders in WY then. The numbers are going to be much higher in cities because there are more people in cities.

Look at Alaska. 3% of the population is black... least populated state... yet #2 on the list.
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Old 02-09-2009, 12:01 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Again,do you think urban regions are not high gun crime areas?

Oops just noticed you posted the list.

So number one for firearm deaths(not murders???) is DC.
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Old 02-09-2009, 12:05 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Again,do you think urban regions are not high gun crime areas?

Oops just noticed you posted the list.

So number one for firearm deaths(not murders???) is DC.
Yep. DC has a big problem. But the rest of the list was a little surprising to me.

Also interesting that besides DC, the states with the strictest firearms laws are at the bottom of the list...
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Old 02-09-2009, 12:05 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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A lot of the states in the Top 20 don't even have a large "Urban" area, yet rank higher than states that do...

There may be 500 gun murders in DC and 2 in Podunk, WY. Per capita there are more gun murders in WY then. The numbers are going to be much higher in cities because there are more people in cities.

Look at Alaska. 3% of the population is black... least populated state... yet #2 on the list.
Actually they do have large urban areas...

number one IS a city and nothing else,number three has NOLA which is crime ridden,number five has Phoenix,etc,etc....
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Old 02-09-2009, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I guess the press balmes the violence on the tools (knives, guns and clubs) because they percieve that controlling these will be easier than curing the underlying social and economic problems. There are vanishingly few incidents where the knife, gun or club assaulted anyone without a human hand holding onto the weapon.
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