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Old 02-09-2009, 12:10 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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I guess the press balmes the violence on the tools (knives, guns and clubs) because they percieve that controlling these will be easier than curing the underlying social and economic problems. There are vanishingly few incidents where the knife, gun or club assaulted anyone without a human hand holding onto the weapon.
Very true...
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Old 02-09-2009, 12:12 PM
 
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Moderator cut: link removed, linking to competitors sites is not allowed Firearms Death Rate per 100,000 (most recent) by state
Looking at per capita numbers, I don't know about that.

Rank States Amount (top to bottom)
#1 District of Columbia: 31.2
#2 Alaska: 20
#3 Louisiana: 19.5
#4 Wyoming: 18.8
#5 Arizona: 18
#6 Nevada: 17.3
#7 Mississippi: 17.3
#8 New Mexico: 16.6
#9 Arkansas: 16.3
#10 Alabama: 16.2

#11 Tennessee: 15.4
#12 West Virginia: 14.7

#13 Montana: 14.5
#14 South Carolina: 13.8
#15 North Carolina: 13.6
#16 Georgia: 13.4
#17 Kentucky: 13.1
#18 Oklahoma: 13.1
#19 Missouri: 12.3
#20 Idaho: 12.3
I see some very heavily black and minority states in that list:

DC
Louisiana
Arizona
Nevada
Mississippi
Arkansas
New Mexico
Tennessee
S Carolina
N Carolina
Georgia
Oklahoma

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Old 02-09-2009, 12:41 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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I see some very heavily black and minority states in that list:

DC
Louisiana
Arizona
Nevada
Mississippi
Arkansas
New Mexico
Tennessee
S Carolina
N Carolina
Georgia
Oklahoma
Here in Nevada we have had a dramatic rise in shooting deaths and injurie due to a huge increase in Hispanic gang activity in the urban centers. (Reno/Sparks, Vegas and Carson City). These "gangs" are actually cartel soldiers, not merely local "hood" types. It's a beachhead being established, and not just a local turf war. There is even activity popping up out here in the cow counties now though the tolerance for it is a bit less enthusiastic compared to the cities. These types have an affinity for hiding out on the Indian reservations where the law cannot go. The friends I have on the res (quite a few of them actually) tell me this is a BAD problem and one or two shootings have happened that no body hears about. . The late great Jeff Cooper once wrote about shooting "statistics" being skewed by including "good riddance" cases and self defense shootings in the numbers as "tragic deaths". This is obviously true. The REAL numbers of actual criminal misuse of firearms would probably shock a few folks.
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Old 02-09-2009, 12:47 PM
 
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Your orthodoxy doesn't stand up under scrutiny. Wherever did you learn it? Have you ever studied it?

Ireland was "poor" with "no hope" for 800 years, yet they never turned to savagery. West Virginia is poor, has low educational levels and achievement, but is non-violent. It's 98% white.
"Savagery," this is like the Mafia. The Mafia was pretty structured.

Poor people in West Virginia, nonviolent? Dont do drugs? ROTFL. Also they're part of mainstream white culture. And cops will go into poor white parts of WV and they wont go into darkest...Baltimore, e.g.

Ireland - ? Not relevant, though as far as fighting among themselves, not sure if you've heard of The Troubles....

You're claiming violence is endemic to (a certain) race. It's not.
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Old 02-09-2009, 12:50 PM
 
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From the second link:
Disingenuous waste of bandwidth, promoting gun use and not addressing the problem ("the politicians and media hide it from you..." ).

Although they're right about this: "blame guns instead of politicians and social policies"

Thanks for backing up my point
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Old 02-09-2009, 12:51 PM
 
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"Savagery," this is like the Mafia. The Mafia was pretty structured.

Poor people in West Virginia, nonviolent? Dont do drugs? ROTFL. Also they're part of mainstream white culture. And cops will go into poor white parts of WV and they wont go into darkest...Baltimore, e.g.

Ireland - ? Not relevant, though as far as fighting among themselves, not sure if you've heard of The Troubles....

You're claiming violence is endemic to (a certain) race. It's not.
You're claiming it's not endemic, and you're wrong. There is just too much evidence out there. Ireland is totally relevant as an example, as compared to the Congo. Ireland's 8 centuries of poverty, lack of education, and mistreatment are the very excuses that everyone uses to explain violent crime in the USA and the Third World. When the Jews were stuck in ghettoes for centuries did they go violently nuts? Why is Tokyo the safest big city in the world???? Gee, could it be something other than the typical litany of excuses?

In London the Bobbies never carried guns, but that is all changing and it's not due to the ethnic British causing the changes. There are so many examples that are out there......

How do you explain modern Johannesburg?
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Old 02-09-2009, 12:52 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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You're claiming violence is endemic to (a certain) race. It's not.
But it seems it IS....if you look at how many black people are killed or kill each year(overwhelmingly by OTHER black people) I do not see how you can deny there is something to at least look at carefully...
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Old 02-09-2009, 12:57 PM
 
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But it seems it IS....if you look at how many black people are killed or kill each year(overwhelmingly by OTHER black people) I do not see how you can deny there is something to at least look at carefully...
Thank you, it seems as Marxists like to not only deny God, but Darwin and Nature as well!!

It's unreal the ideology they hold. Turn all explanations of human history into ones about "class economics".

Ridiculous.
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Old 02-09-2009, 01:00 PM
 
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Thank you, it seems as Marxists like to not only deny God, but Darwin and Nature as well!!

It's unreal the ideology they hold. Turn all explanations of human history into ones about "class economics".

Ridiculous.
Poverty creates crime and violence, you dont agree with that?

I dont think you know what Marxism is....if you're talking about me, Im certainly not a Marxist and I certainly dont deny God. .

These are drug crimes, not just black people targeting other black people because they're black.
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Old 02-09-2009, 01:04 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Poverty creates crime and violence, you dont agree with that?

These are drug crimes, not just black people targeting other black people because they're black.
But if it was JUST poverty,you would find it in EVERY poverty stricken area everywhere in the world wouldn't you???

From looking at the location of gun crimes in Baltimore,you quickly realise that the crimes are in one area involving pretty much one race...

It then casts doubt on trying to ban guns to lower crime as it is criminals shooting other criminals...
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