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Here is The One promising 5 days online for a bill before he signs it.
Get off the hate train, sanrene. It's destroying your mind. You have no idea that you're being used, do you? You listen to the neo-con hate-mongers, then you come on here and repeat what they've told you to believe, over and over and over again. They couldn't care less about you. You're just a tool. Get a clue.
I guess I don't see this as a partisan issue - it's not who did and who didn't and how many times before and all that finger-pointing...
Stop for just a moment and consider how ridiculous it sounds (reads) that anyone would sign something so significant (or anything, for that matter) without fully understanding the ramifications - and we as the general public can sit back and say, ah, that's alright...they have our best interests in mind.
LALALALALA...
Not right then, not right now. I think we have all qualified ourselves as naive.
As long as they read the smaller summaries (dozen pages or so) from the cbo and the other couple of economic gov analyst groups, I don't care if they read the full bill.
Congressmen have staff to read bills. If Congressmen personally read every single bill they would literally have no time to do anything else and that is why they all have dozens of aids who read it cover to cover and then give condensed versions to the Congressman. That's reality just like how most CEOs come up with and implement reorganizations and other business plans.
You can bet that Republicans had their staff comb through that bill and the fact that they couldn't come up with anything of substance which held up to even the slightest bit of scrutiny is telling.
bentlebee, I guess everybody who voted against it read it cover to cover too?
Give it a rest!
Smart people vote against anything if they haven't got a chance to read it...that is why so many stupid people are whining about their ARM's and that they didn't have a clue what they signed...THE SHOULD HAVE READ IT! IF THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT AFTER READING...DON'T SIGN!
congressmen have staff to read bills. If congressmen personally read every single bill they would literally have no time to do anything else and that is why they all have dozens of aids who read it cover to cover and then give condensed versions to the congressman. That's reality just like how most ceos come up with and implement reorganizations and other business plans.
You can bet that republicans had their staff comb through that bill and the fact that they couldn't come up with anything of substance which held up to even the slightest bit of scrutiny is telling.
even if the staff had time to read it(should at least have a big amount of staff members to read the whole thing in one night), how do you think there was time for all the staff members to inform the senator and tell him what is in the bill and discuss it.....
Nobody needs to read it. We all know what is in it and the Senators do too. We all voted for President Obama and we all fully support his programs.
In reality, I don't expect each of them the read the bill in it's entirely, and I'll explain why. But YOURS is the ABSOLUTE WORST, MOST HORIFIC reason I can think of to expect them to not read it. Look at your statement again, and think about whether it actually makes sense, and if that's REALLY how things ought to work. We elected him President, with all that offices attendent checks & balances. We did NOT elect him dictator, so we could blindly follow him. And we do not ALL fully support what we see as his socialistic agenda.
I happen to be in the camp of people who understand that our legislators cannot read the full text of all the bills on which they vote. What I do expect is that thjey will break the bill up inot many smaller sections, and each section will be read & summarized by one of the legislators staff members. Our senators & representatives all have large staffs of people working for them, many of them more well versed on particular issues than the congress men are. These guys summarize the relevant sections of the bill, and the congressman can read those summaries.
At this point though, I'm not sure there was even enoughtime for THAT to happen before this bill was signed.
One day? Naw, nothing new was introduced when they reconciled the House and Senate versions just like nothing new is ever introduced when reconciling versions. The basic premises all remain the same and the only thing that changes are a few details and even those details get highlighted by the leaders of the Congress. Everyone has had almost two months to go over this bill so it is very well know.
bentlebee, I guess everybody who voted against it read it cover to cover too?
Give it a rest!
What do you mean give it a rest? Voting agaisnt it would be the smart, responsible thing to do if you felt it was being crammed in and sufficient time wasn't being given to understand & debat the issue. The biggest spending bill in the history of the world, and you guys are arguing that it's ok for it to be rushed through even though some people didn't understand fully wehat they were being asked to spend money on. Really, that's ok with you?
even if the staff had time to read it(should at least have a big amount of staff members to read the whole thing in one night), how do you think there was time for all the staff members to inform the senator and tell him what is in the bill and discuss it.....
Get a grip. All the Conference Committee does is reconcile the differences between the two versions of the bill...
These things that were only in the House version, we got rid of, these we kept as they were, and these we changed the wording or the money for.
These things that were only in the Senate version, we got rid of, these we kept as they were, and these we changed the wording or the money for.
These things that were in both the House and Senate versions, we got rid of, these we kept as they were, and these we changed the wording or the money for.
There is no sane person who would read 1,100 pages from the beginning when all the changes could be written down in 100. That's why Boehner could make his stupid guaranty. And no, he didn't read it either. Even he isn't that dumb...
The thing is, I doubt many of you have any idea what it means to read a bill. There are very few stand alone bills any more. Most bills today modify existing legislation. For something like the stimulus bill, it's probably modifying at least 30-50 different pieces of legislation maybe more. So to understand a bill, you've got to sit down with the other 30-50 pieces of legislation (each of which is probably 50-100 pages long), figure out what part of the existing legislation is being changed and how. Bottom line is that you can't just sit down and read a bill by itself...it will make absolutely no sense at all.
To fully understand every part of the stimulus bill would several weeks at a minimum. And that's assuming Congress did no other work during that time.
As others have pointed out, this is why members of Congress have staff members read the bill. Even then, most members of Congress are only concerned about sections of a bill that directly relate to the committees they serve on.
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