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Old 02-18-2009, 12:08 AM
 
Location: New York, New York
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This is the least of California's budget worries however.

Nice try though, even though most non partisan non paid off by the Dem party scientists all agree that man caused global warming is a farce
you didn't even read it? Got any links to your other claims?I will actully read them.
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Old 02-18-2009, 03:56 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Isnt California writing IOU's for their state tax returns this year??
Only if the legislature still refuses to pass a budget. Essentially the people have voted for mandatory spending on several items (through the proposition system) while also voting for themselves to receive tax cuts (also through the proposition system). The share of the budget now made up of voter authorized mandated spending is now 75% of the total budget (everything from roads, to schools, to prisons now have mandatory legally required spending as a fixed percentage of the budget) but the budget deficit is now around 40% of the budget. We simply can't cut our way out of this one because the voters have taken such spending measures out of the hands of the politicians and have demanded the spending.

So why hasn't the budget passed? Simple, for the same reason the budget hasn't passed on time in any of the last 27 years. In 1982 Republicans passed an amendment to the state constitution which gives both parties a veto over any budgetary decision by requiring a 2/3rds vote on any tax increase or spending cut. You can literally get 1/3rd of the politicians to oppose anything. Republicans are being extremely obstinate saying they won't agree to any tax increases at all, what so ever and the leadership strong armed enough of their people into voting against the compromise bill which was 1/3 spending cuts (cutting what legally the legislature could cut), 1/3 tax increases, and 1/3 borrowing. Unfortunately it failed by one vote largely because talk radio clowns threatened to unseat any Republican who voted for it. This is insane because the tax increases are fairly small (we've cut the tax rate by an across the board 10 percentage points over the last 10 years and the new increase would have only restored 5-8 points depending on the tax bracket) and the legislature is legally required to pass a budget which funds voter mandated spending.

Unfortunately, the Republicans have decided to simple obstruct instead of working in good faith to pass a budget. They're now simply attempt to block any budget which is absolutely retarded and will back fire on them come 2012.
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Old 02-18-2009, 04:00 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Originally Posted by sweetclimber View Post
This is the least of California's budget worries however.

Nice try though, even though most non partisan non paid off by the Dem party scientists all agree that man caused global warming is a farce
Some observations:

1. Republicans refusing to pass any budget is the cause of the potential state government shut down and this is the biggest cause of California's budget worries.

2. You've drank the kool-aid from the climate change deniers and it seems to have killed off most of your brain cells.
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Old 02-18-2009, 04:06 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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Is this Red and Blue state label based upon Presidential elections? If it is, then let's look at these states based upon the political make up of the state's legislature, the branch of government that controls the purse strings of a state. In my state's case, our state legislature has been run by the Democratic party for many long suffering decades. I can only remember three Republican governors for our state and one of the three was a true RINO Republican since he switched from Democrat to Republican just before running for the office. Our current governor is his protege. Don't judge a state's taxes by how the citizens voted in a presidential election. Judge them by who controls the taxes and spending within the state.
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Old 02-18-2009, 06:12 AM
 
Location: Houston Texas
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you didn't even read it? Got any links to your other claims?I will actully read them.
I actually talked with a number of non partisan scientists at different conferences on climate and geology. I did not rely on partisan data like you have
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Old 02-18-2009, 06:18 AM
 
Location: Houston Texas
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Some observations:

1. Republicans refusing to pass any budget is the cause of the potential state government shut down and this is the biggest cause of California's budget worries.

2. You've drank the kool-aid from the climate change deniers and it seems to have killed off most of your brain cells.
1) So you are trying to tell the rest of us that the Reps are totally responsible for all California's budget problems and the Dems are not at all?

2) I actually listened to real scientists at real conferences and the consensus is that the contribution made man is so negligable that we could stop all emissions today and see no change.

That Al Gore kool aid must have some seriously good drugs in it. You have to love how Dems never admit that they have played a part in anything bad for the country whatsoever. It is that kind of arrogance and ignorance that is really sad and scary

This is a bi partisan mess (do you understand what bi partisan means?) Time for the Dem party to accept some of the responsibility
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Old 02-18-2009, 06:26 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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1. Read my previous posts to understand how both sides brought us to this point but realize that right now Republican extremists ARE responsible for the fact that they're refusing to sign any budget unless the manditory spending is repealed... Which legally the legislature can't do as it was passed by a proposition. It's notable that the leader of the Republicans in the legislature helped negotiate the budget compromise which both cuts spending (where it is legally allowed) and raises taxes in order to close the $40 billion yearly deficit. For his efforts in actually trying to solve the budget crisis Republican extremists had him removed as Minority leader just a few days ago. It's pretty darn clear who is refusing to budge even an inch.

2. It's very clear to me you do not.


Lastly, post your response in the California thread and please stay on topic. The topic of this thread is the 37 states (most of whom are red states) who do not pay net taxes to the Federal government.
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Old 02-18-2009, 06:34 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Is this Red and Blue state label based upon Presidential elections?
That's a good question, I would say it goes further then one Presidential election especially since in the last election so many people crossed party lines after watching Republicans royally screw everything up. A better metric is how many people are registered to each party. Those states which have more Republicans registered would be be red while the opposite would be true for blue states. Of course not every net welfare queen is a red state but it is true that every red state, except Texas, is a welfare queen who sucks up the nation's resources without paying any net taxes.

In short, I would say that is a resounding example of how badly Republican economic policy is a failure. If Republican philosophies actually result in success then why don't those states (other then huge Texas) ever actually end up paying net taxes? Why do their economies ALWAYS lag the blue states?
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Old 02-18-2009, 06:36 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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There is nothing like a True Conservative state hooked on Government spending. Not that these states also have the biggest problems with both urban and rural poverty. Them Republican good old boys aren't about the let the Federal money be spent on the undeserving poor. It has to go the automated arms plant and the Wall Street owners.
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Old 02-18-2009, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Some observations:

1. Republicans refusing to pass any budget is the cause of the potential state government shut down and this is the biggest cause of California's budget worries.

2. You've drank the kool-aid from the climate change deniers and it seems to have killed off most of your brain cells.

"The state can't even pay its own bills," he said. "(The federal government) spending billions of some of that bailout money would be well spent here," Brown said. "Right now we need it."

Jerry Brown asks for federal bailout to aid crime-fighting in California - Whittier Daily News

"The state of California is the biggest of several governments nationwide that are being locked out of the bond market by the global credit crunch."

The Governator Requests $7 Billion Federal Bailout for California | PEEK | AlterNet (http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/101522/the_governator_requests_$7_billion_federal_bailout _for_california_/ - broken link)

"Already 76 filling stations have announced they will shut down rather than attempt to comply with the excessively onerous regulations, which fittingly go into effect on April Fool's Day. But at least the bureauweenies are making the air nice and clean for the polar bears."
"April's regulations promise to cut what are known as reactive organic gas emissions by 7 tons per day statewide, but opponents point to the fact that California produces 2,322 tons of such gases per day."
"That comes to a 0.3% reduction."

Moonbattery: Why California Needs a Bailout

Global Warming?

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