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One important point about the way people see the flag and what it means to them has been left out of this discussion. Prior to the war, there were towns in the South that were thriving economically. Those were destroyed during the war; some were intentionally burned. Following the war, there were economic policies etc. that were very damaging to the South, some were intentionally punitive others were not. These policies did significant and lasting damage to the South. The effects have been felt until recent history through less economic development. The reason for the South not really having large cities develop was not because they didn't know how to build the buildings. For people who take pride in the flag, it also symbolizes that through what were some difficult times for some, the southern culture and way of life (nothing to do with slavery) was able to remain intact and was valued.
Look back over what people have said. Nobody has attempted to justify or identify with this garbage. Your thought that this is what people are referring to as heritage reveals your tremendous ignorance of their perspective and your lack of interest in hearing it. Consequently, your post adds nothing of value to the conversation.
Yep. And treason is defined by the victor. This is why we don't consider George Washington to be a traitor, because the rebellious, treasonous colonists won their independence.
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And isn't the Confederate flag the very symbol of rebellion/treason?
Maybe, it depends on your point of view. Of course, if you consider the Confederacy to have been treasonous, then you must also consider the United States to be treasonous.
See, that's like me posting a bunch of photographs, statistics, etc., that illustrate what is wrong with certain black Americans - crime, misogyny, poor education, etc., and then rubbing it in your face by saying:
"Yeah, sure must be a heritage to be proud of."
You seem to expect everyone to walk on eggshells not to offend you, but you have no problem blatantly offending me.
See, that's like me posting a bunch of photographs, statistics, etc., that illustrate what is wrong with certain black Americans - crime, misogyny, poor education, etc., and then rubbing it in your face by saying:
"Yeah, sure must be a heritage to be proud of."
You seem to expect everyone to walk on eggshells not to offend you, but you have no problem blatantly offending me.
Nice try, but anyone not devoid of any trace of intellectual honesty and a grasp of historical perspective, isn't buying the morally relative comparison you are trying to make.
Moreover, one of your sympathizers upthread suggested that white confederate southerners have suffered lasting affects through today. If you buy into that, then you have your reasoning for the "crime, misogyny, poor education, etc." of Black Americans of which you spoke.
Nice try, but anyone not devoid of any trace of intellectual honesty and a grasp of historical perspective, isn't buying the morally relative comparison you are trying to make.
Moreover, one of your sympathizers upthread suggested that white confederate southerners have suffered lasting affects through today. If you buy into that, then you have your reasoning for the "crime, misogyny, poor education, etc." of Black Americans of which you spoke.
It's not relativism. It's a response to you grouping people together with the people in your pictures despite them clearly saying that this does not represent them. People are offended by that just like you would be offended if you were grouped together with a street gang based on some criteria.
It's not relativism. It's a response to you grouping people together with the people in your pictures despite them clearly saying that this does not represent them. People are offended by that just like you would be offended if you were grouped together with a street gang based on some criteria.
The difference is that I'm not advocating for the "flag" of some street gang, while trying to palm it off as heritage.
The difference is that I'm not advocating for the "flag" of some street gang, while trying to palm it off as heritage.
If someone proudly wears the sports jersey of their home team, should they not wear it because a gang has co-opted it as a symbol?
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