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supposing all of this is true... we are STILL there! Sadam has been gone for a long time now. WTF are we still doing there???!!!
Hint: Do you see any reason that the U.S. could benefit from having a friend in the Middle East? We have freed those people from a ruthless dictator. We are helping them rebuild their country and have brought them freedom and democracy.
It hasn't been an easy process but we will all benefit in the long term - as long as we don't lose sight of our goals there.
Our U.S. soldiers have done and are doing an outstanding job in Iraq. I am very proud of them. And I am very grateful for the sacrifices they are making for our country. God bless them.
It was speculation on my part to say that Iraq was invaded to serve as a foothold to continue searching for the 9/11 perp osama - the only speculative part of my post, and not the only reason I gave for invading Iraq.
You have to consider the whole post, I think the Bush admin. thought the Iraq invasion would yield benefits and they used 9/11 as an excuse to go over there. I think it was already a part of the plan, and osama is such a small and elusive blip on the radar I question whether or not we are or ever were actively pursueing him. The point is that action was called for, someone needed to pay, and Bush's approval rating when we did invade Iraq reflects this. I think that his administration originally thought that saddam's removal from power would be more cost effective and would please the masses greater than searching the desert for a relative unknown with the prospect of it being a fruitless labor.
I'll admit that saddam didn't specifically threaten us with WMD's, but he definitely wanted us to believe that he had them - refusing to allow UN weapons inspectors access to his stockpiles, and then enduring the economic sanctions against him and allowing his people to suffer (not that he cared about his people anyways, but surely this had to have inconvenienced him greatly) when all he had to do was grant the weapons inspectors access.
It hasn't been an easy process but we will all benefit in the long term - as long as we don't lose sight of our goals there.
"We" have no goals there. Bush's goal was to get rid of a guy who had become too much of a nuisance to his Israeli puppetmasters, and to turn Iraq into a giant cash withdrawal machine for his rich friends in the process.
I hate Bill Clinton and I hate his conniving wife. Always have. Always will.
I grew up a dem and when the clinton campaign became what it was and clinton being what he was. I knew I had to vote against him and that was when I turned and became a republican and have never looked back. I am ashamed of the dem party and what they have become. They have strayed from their roots and become an embarrassment.
It was speculation on my part to say that Iraq was invaded to serve as a foothold to continue searching for the 9/11 perp osama - the only speculative part of my post, and not the only reason I gave for invading Iraq.
You have to consider the whole post, I think the Bush admin. thought the Iraq invasion would yield benefits and they used 9/11 as an excuse to go over there. I think it was already a part of the plan, and osama is such a small and elusive blip on the radar I question whether or not we are or ever were actively pursueing him. The point is that action was called for, someone needed to pay, and Bush's approval rating when we did invade Iraq reflects this. I think that his administration originally thought that saddam's removal from power would be more cost effective and would please the masses greater than searching the desert for a relative unknown with the prospect of it being a fruitless labor.
I'll admit that saddam didn't specifically threaten us with WMD's, but he definitely wanted us to believe that he had them - refusing to allow UN weapons inspectors access to his stockpiles, and then enduring the economic sanctions against him and allowing his people to suffer (not that he cared about his people anyways, but surely this had to have inconvenienced him greatly) when all he had to do was grant the weapons inspectors access.
The U.S. and the world is much better off without Saddam around. Safer, too.
"We" have no goals there. Bush's goal was to get rid of a guy who had become too much of a nuisance to his Israeli puppetmasters, and to turn Iraq into a giant cash withdrawal machine for his rich friends in the process.
Has anyone considered the liberation of a nation? I have a good friend who served two tours overseas for the Army, and it wasn't until his second tour that he felt like we had accomplished something. The second tour was Iraq. He was a hard-nose all his life, I never saw him emotional until he returned from Iraq (I knew him 11 years). This guy breaks down in tears each time he tells stories about this - there were many moments when kids would run up to him and his comrades in the street and pin crafts to their packs and uniforms and give them handfuls of candy. Children, adolescents, and adults would offer them snacks when they appeared to have nothing to spare. They would bow their heads when he walked by. He said that the appreciation and hope on their faces would make him weak in the knees. He swears it is the most profound thing that he has ever experienced, it made him proud to be a soldier and he will carry it to the grave with him.
I grew up a dem and when the clinton campaign became what it was and clinton being what he was. I knew I had to vote against him and that was when I turned and became a republican and have never looked back. I am ashamed of the dem party and what they have become. They have strayed from their roots and become an embarrassment.
Well, I agree the Dems sold their souls when they not only nominated Clinton but enabled him every step of the way, looked the other way at his criminal career, etc. I never expected to vote Dem again, but the other guys went so far off the wingnut militarist deep end after 9/11 that I just had no choice.
Has anyone considered the liberation of a nation? I have a good friend who served two tours overseas for the Army, and it wasn't until his second tour that he felt like we had accomplished something. The second tour was Iraq. He was a hard-nose all his life, I never saw him emotional until he returned from Iraq (I knew him 11 years). This guy breaks down in tears each time he tells stories about this - there were many moments when kids would run up to him and his comrades in the street and pin crafts to their packs and uniforms and give them handfuls of candy. Children, adolescents, and adults would offer them snacks when they appeared to have nothing to spare. They would bow their heads when he walked by. He said that the appreciation and hope on their faces would make him weak in the knees. He swears it is the most profound thing that he has ever experienced, it made him proud to be a soldier and he will carry it to the grave with him.
Any time one foreign power occupies another, there will be some of the people in the occupied country who prefer the invaders to the native rulers. The people in Eastern Europe oppressed under Stalin welcomed Hitler's troops, and vice versa. That by itself isn't proof of anything, and if it is taken as a general excuse for countries to invade each other when they feel the other isn't sufficiently "free", the world will soon be a much worse madhouse than it already is. That's why we have things like, oh, the UN Charter for one thing.
Any time one foreign power occupies another, there will be some of the people in the occupied country who prefer the invaders to the native rulers. The people in Eastern Europe oppressed under Stalin welcomed Hitler's troops, and vice versa. That by itself isn't proof of anything, and if it is taken as a general excuse for countries to invade each other when they feel the other isn't sufficiently "free", the world will soon be a much worse madhouse than it already is. That's why we have things like, oh, the UN Charter for one thing.
That is your opinion. If I knew there was a dictator out there murdering, enslaving, raping, and robbing his people - I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I knew that I could do something about it.
- and simply removing that dictator from power isn't enough, if you don't lay a new foundation a new dictator will assume the role.
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