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View Poll Results: Would YOU Rather ..............................................
Continue the Same Old Way and End Up Back Where We Were 12 35.29%
Take a Chance On Building a Better, Greener, Country 22 64.71%
Voters: 34. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-27-2009, 09:15 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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So what ideas do you have? If you have a better way - Obama is listening.
So are people here-


sorry, I did not vote for the socialist obama, and shall never support him. I shall condemn him each and every chance I can.
obama shall be the destruction of the republic and all I can do as a individual citizen is just stand by and watch.


doing personal things like making sure i have no debt and plenty of essentials at home for the hard times coming.
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Old 02-27-2009, 09:36 AM
 
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Monkeywrenching- You wrote: -doing personal things like making sure i have no debt and plenty of essentials at home for the hard times coming.

Isn't that like hiding in a corner and covering your head? What about all your friends, co-workers, neighbors who suddenly find themselves unemployed? Sure if you are lucky enough to have resources to hoard you through rough years but what will you see in the end? What did we get for the past 8 yrs of spending besides the "Do not call list"?
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Old 02-27-2009, 09:45 AM
 
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I have no problem with going green. However, I lived through this once before in the 70s. Most of the green back then was way over priced and inefficient and at the same time. By going green I'm one that is looking for something better, not worse and pricy at that. I'm in no mood to live the horse and buggy days nor I'm I in the mood to lower my standard of living to match those in 3rd world countries in order to compete. If it's good, great, if it is a scam, forget about, aint buying it. I do have my eyes set on a tankless water heater.
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Old 02-27-2009, 09:51 AM
 
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Part of the reason government has to step in to nudge the market in a "green" direction is because businesses are fighting it every step of the way.

The notion that the free market is this constantly evolving and dynamic place of ideas and innovations hasn't proven true. Industries make a lot of money doing something - producing oil or cars or coal energy or whatever - and then fight to protect the status quo that serves them so well because it's cheaper to fight change than embrace it.

So, the very people who hate government interference are creating a need for it because they won't fix the problems themselves.

The minute sustainability is embraced universally, prices naturally drop. Sustainable products are expensive because the marketplace - producers and consumers - resist sustainability and prefer toxic industrial food like McDonald's.
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Old 02-27-2009, 10:06 AM
 
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Monkeywrenching- You wrote: -doing personal things like making sure i have no debt and plenty of essentials at home for the hard times coming.

Isn't that like hiding in a corner and covering your head? What about all your friends, co-workers, neighbors who suddenly find themselves unemployed? Sure if you are lucky enough to have resources to hoard you through rough years but what will you see in the end? What did we get for the past 8 yrs of spending besides the "Do not call list"?

I do not use the word "hoard". Hoarding is the keeping of large quantities when there is not much on the shelf. I stockpile, stockpiling is keeping more by when there is plenty on the shelf.

I shall help take care of my neighbors and others if need be, but I shall never support any liberal that voted for that socialist obama, including obama.

not much a single person can do, except wait for the liberals to destroy what the republic stands for, as if bush did not do a bad enough job at it, the democrats have to finish the job that bush and other presidents started.

thanks for nothing all you people who hate liberty, freedom, self reliancy and self responsibility.
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Old 02-27-2009, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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Can we play "Never have I ever..." after this? Its my favorite drinking game
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Old 02-27-2009, 10:30 AM
 
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Part of the reason government has to step in to nudge the market in a "green" direction is because businesses are fighting it every step of the way.

The notion that the free market is this constantly evolving and dynamic place of ideas and innovations hasn't proven true. Industries make a lot of money doing something - producing oil or cars or coal energy or whatever - and then fight to protect the status quo that serves them so well because it's cheaper to fight change than embrace it.

So, the very people who hate government interference are creating a need for it because they won't fix the problems themselves.

The minute sustainability is embraced universally, prices naturally drop. Sustainable products are expensive because the marketplace - producers and consumers - resist sustainability and prefer toxic industrial food like McDonald's.
McDonald's gives me gas. Hmmmm, I wonder if one can utilize this effect?
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Old 02-27-2009, 04:06 PM
 
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Monkeywrenching wrote- thanks for nothing all you people who hate liberty, freedom, self reliancy and self responsibility.

Gee - ouch- wow

Psst- Monkeywrench their are people who can help you overcome such a problem- good luck
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Old 02-27-2009, 05:51 PM
 
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If we can get back to where we were before people started spending 140% of waht the earned as a nation and not therefore driveup prices like they have;it would be great. Otherwise we are doomed.
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Old 02-27-2009, 06:29 PM
 
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8 Obama supporters, 17 wanting change. Interesting.
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