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Old 05-25-2009, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis
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The famous Atheist Richard Dawkins wrote a best selling book called "The God Delusion." Richard Dawkins says atheists should be just as forthright in their views as those who believe God is real. The prominent atheist talks about why he wants to convert more to his way of thinking.

What do you believe? Is there a God? Is there any proof? What is proof? Since when has progressive science been the King of all things good?
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Old 05-25-2009, 08:10 AM
 
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I believe humans are delusional. Ultimate reality includes God. "Reality self-constructed" is the definition of science. Only theology and philosophy actually address reality.
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Old 05-25-2009, 08:20 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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I believe there are forces in the Universe no mere mortal can comprehend, and that includes those who claim they can and exhort people to send $$$.
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Old 05-25-2009, 08:27 AM
 
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If you don't base your beliefs on proof, you are bound to be wrong.
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Old 05-25-2009, 08:35 AM
 
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If you don't base your beliefs on proof, you are bound to be wrong.
Problem is, God invented proof. And then constructed a barrier to absolute truth. Unless you can accept his existence on pure faith.

Paths to useful (but limited) knowledge involve the scientific and empirical. It can be extremely useful and is, in fact, very necessary, but it is limited.

Full knowledge includes God.
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Old 05-25-2009, 08:41 AM
 
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Problem is, God invented proof. And then constructed a barrier to absolute truth. Unless you can accept his existence on pure faith.

Paths to useful (but limited) knowledge involve the scientific and empirical. It can be extremely useful and is, in fact, very necessary, but it is limited.

Full knowledge includes God.
Sounds like God talks to you directly. Do you hear voices? Are they masculine or feminine?
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Old 05-25-2009, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Southeastern North Carolina
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I believe humans are delusional. Ultimate reality includes God. "Reality self-constructed" is the definition of science. Only theology and philosophy actually address reality.
Yes, humans are delusional. God & religion are the biggest delusion of all. And I would say that "reality self-constructed" is the definition of religion. Philosophy may address reality, but religion certainly doesn't. Religion addresses mankind's inability to cope with the idea of their own death.
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Old 05-25-2009, 08:45 AM
 
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Sounds like God talks to you directly. Do you hear voices? Are they masculine or feminine?
He talks to me with no vowels, ndfmnlf.
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Old 05-25-2009, 08:48 AM
 
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Problem is, God invented proof. And then constructed a barrier to absolute truth. Unless you can accept his existence on pure faith.

Paths to useful (but limited) knowledge involve the scientific and empirical. It can be extremely useful and is, in fact, very necessary, but it is limited.

Full knowledge includes God.
You can insert any unprovable thing into that sentence: "_____ invented proof." And then you create the bait and trap with the "unless you can accept his existence on pure faith."

Well the pink unicorn created proof, and then denied your ability to find proof, so unless you believe that the pink unicorn exists, you will never have proof that he exists. (Of course, forcing yourself into believing so that you can find "proof" tricks you into believing first without the proof; accomplishing the goal first in order to accomplish the goal. I hear this trick from Mormon missionaries a lot.)

I agree that knowledge is limited, but you have no rationale for saying "full knowledge includes God" except that other people (and yourself) told you that and tricked you into believing it.
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Old 05-25-2009, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Yes, there is a God.
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