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Old 04-19-2009, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Indiana
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What can the president of the U.S.A learn from this tyrents? Why is he meeting with them? They have more blood on their hands from killing people that disagree with them.It should be a crime agianst humanity to meet with theese murderers,and they should be put in jail.
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Old 04-19-2009, 12:08 PM
 
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It depends on if they will move towards us without us moving towards them. No quarter given.
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Old 04-19-2009, 02:06 PM
 
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I don't have a problem with Obama trying improve relations with Cuba or Venezuala. However, I do expect Obama to defend America if Chavez and Castro start using racist and inflammatory language again like "gringos are the cause of all the world's problems" and "America is the devil". Obama is our President so he should not give credence to the words of tyrants.
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Old 04-19-2009, 02:12 PM
 
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What can the president of the U.S.A learn from this tyrents? Why is he meeting with them? They have more blood on their hands from killing people that disagree with them.It should be a crime agianst humanity to meet with theese murderers,and they should be put in jail.
The thing is, real life is more complicated than that.
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Old 04-19-2009, 03:35 PM
 
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Chavez is the duly elected leader of the Venezuelan people, vilified by our press (and nobody else) because he is for his people and against American and Int'l business interests.

On this topic, it really helps if you have some first-hand experience in Latin America.
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Old 04-19-2009, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Marietta, GA
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Chavez is the duly elected leader of the Venezuelan people, vilified by our press (and nobody else) because he is for his people and against American and Int'l business interests.
Yeah, and Saddam was the "duly elected leader" of the Iraqi people too, right?

Ah...so it's all our fault and the poor downtrodden worker's advocate, Senor Chavez from Venezuela, is being vilified by those evil business interests. Those evil businessmen with their profits...with their capitalism....they are just out to get the poor hero of our Venezuelan worker friends.

I see, and the fact that he works against our national interest is immaterial? His collusion with Iran should just be ignored? His rhetoric and his actions don't mean anything, right? We're the ones who are to blame and we should just leave him alone, right?

I just shake my head and can't believe that people can be so naive. Of course if you're naive, that's no big deal. The real problem is when our President is also naive. That makes me concerned.
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Old 04-19-2009, 03:47 PM
 
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Yeah, and Saddam was the "duly elected leader" of the Iraqi people too, right?

Ah...so it's all our fault and the poor downtrodden worker's advocate, Senor Chavez from Venezuela, is being vilified by those evil business interests. Those evil businessmen with their profits...with their capitalism....they are just out to get the poor hero of our Venezuelan worker friends.

I see, and the fact that he works against our national interest is immaterial? His collusion with Iran should just be ignored? His rhetoric and his actions don't mean anything, right? We're the ones who are to blame and we should just leave him alone, right?

I just shake my head and can't believe that people can be so naive. Of course if you're naive, that's no big deal. The real problem is when our President is also naive. That makes me concerned.
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No, Hussein was a dictator.

Chavez has stood for election two-consecutive times, both of which that were monitored by int'l observers and found to be fair.

Your experience in Venezuela is??
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Old 04-19-2009, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Maine
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Venezuela is one country that actually GIVES humanitarian aid to the US, Millions of households benefit from free oil supplied by the Venezuelan people each year. Thank you for the heating oil this winter Mr. Chavez.
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Old 04-19-2009, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Marietta, GA
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.Your experience in Venezuela is??
I'm an American citizen and don't need any experience in Venezuela to take its leader at his word that he is not a friend of my country. If you are in such awe of Chavez, they have flights to Caracas leaving all the time.

So your point is that you can't have an understanding of an international issue or form an educated opinion unless you've been to the country and understand its inner workings....is that right? So using your twisted logic, most of the liberals in this country should shut up about Iraq and Iran, given they've never been there and have no experience with those countries.

Do I have you correctly?
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Old 04-19-2009, 03:52 PM
 
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I seriously want to know what is the difference between Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro and GEORGE W BUSH?

1. Bush has more blood on his hands with 1/2 million that has died from the Iraq war
2. He has also damaged his country financially (albeit not as bad as Castro's half-century reign in Cuba); but Chavez has at least caused Venezuela to prosper.
3. Violated International laws-with recent details of torture and not to mention the Illegal invasion of Iraq, plus many other that will take all day to list....

W/o Partisan biasness I want to know what makes Castro and Chavez so bad compared to Bush....

Would you agree that Bush is probably viewed around the world as a tyrant and a worse leader than Chavez and Castro COMBINED!
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