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Old 04-23-2009, 10:20 PM
 
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Answer: None of the above.

Sexual abuse of a child is a CRIMINAL behavior and NOT a sexual behavior. It's not hetero-sexual, bi-sexual or homosexual.....it's simply criminal. How could you possibly equate rape to sex? If someone gets raped then they have not had sex with the rapist. Sex implies that it's consensual and rape does not.
Because it involves SEXUAL ORGANS? Because it is a SEXUAL CRIME? Because anyone convicted is convicted of a SEXUAL OFFENSE and placed on a SEXUAL OFFENDERS REGISTRY?

Liberals: always trying to redefine basic concepts to make aberrant behaviors seem normal.

 
Old 04-23-2009, 10:21 PM
 
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Why are you surprised. California passed Prop 8, which provided that marriage is between a man and woman.

How typical is it that gay marriage is presented as so mainstream by the media when of the four states that have it, only one actually has it as a result of legislation to create it? The other three have had it forced on them against their will by State Supreme Courts overruling the expressed will of the voters.
 
Old 04-23-2009, 10:21 PM
 
Location: Mississauga
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"It's normal to us"....I like that.
Actually I think it is simple but fundamental at the very core and this is why we fight for ourselves in spite of all the pressure. However, the strides we have made in the last 50 years have truly been wondrous. The right to marry is the final official battle to say, regardless of a persons sexuality - we are all equal.
 
Old 04-23-2009, 10:24 PM
 
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How typical is it that gay marriage is presented as so mainstream by the media when of the four states that have it, only one actually has it as a result of legislation to create it? The other three have had it forced on them against their will by State Supreme Courts overruling the expressed will of the voters.
There were times in the past where the express majority on a wide range of issues is the express minority of today. In a sense, some body has to transcend this and do something with the cumulative knowledge we acquire. Why not the pinnacle of our legal minds?
 
Old 04-23-2009, 10:27 PM
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Because it involves SEXUAL ORGANS? Because it is a SEXUAL CRIME? Because anyone convicted is convicted of a SEXUAL OFFENSE and placed on a SEXUAL OFFENDERS REGISTRY?

Liberals: always trying to redefine basic concepts to make aberrant behaviors seem normal.
Liberals? I'm against gay marriage. What's liberal about that?

Rape has nothing to do with sex. Rape is purely an act of violence and control. Plain and simple, violence and control are the key goals of most rapists. The criminal wishes to control the victim and, most times, the criminal exerts that control through violence or threats or both at once. Only once one realizes that rape has nothing to do with sex can one finally come to understand what rape really is.

Sexual crime, sexual offenders registry....yes, same word but an entirely different meaning. If there's no difference then why are people convicted of 'rape' and not 'sex'.

Better yet, don't answer that. Nuff said.
 
Old 04-23-2009, 10:27 PM
 
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By the way pba...

Homosexual -
sexual desire or behavior directed toward a person or persons of one's own sex.

Sorry to burst your politically-driven bubble.

Still waiting for you to recant your assertion that AIDS is a silly analogy though I hope you don't.
 
Old 04-23-2009, 10:29 PM
 
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Liberals? I'm against gay marriage. What's liberal about that?

Rape has nothing to do with sex. Rape is purely an act of violence and control. Plain and simple, violence and control are the key goals of most rapists. The criminal wishes to control the victim and, most times, the criminal exerts that control through violence or threats or both at once. Only once one realizes that rape has nothing to do with sex can one finally come to understand what rape really is.

Sexual crime, sexual offenders registry....yes, same word but an entirely different meaning. If there's no difference then why are people convicted of 'rape' and not 'sex'.

Better yet, don't answer that. Nuff said.
Bzzzt! Wrong again.

Rape -
1. the unlawful compelling of a woman through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse
1. any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person
 
Old 04-23-2009, 10:39 PM
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By the way pba...

Homosexual -
sexual desire or behavior directed toward a person or persons of one's own sex.

Sorry to burst your politically-driven bubble.

Still waiting for you to recant your assertion that AIDS is a silly analogy though I hope you don't.
A homesexual act is a consensual sexual act between people of the same gender. A criminal sexual act in non-consensual and comes in the form of child sexual abuse or rape. But, what does this have to do with gay marriage? Nothing.

AIDS? Ok, let's talk AIDS. Gays are responsible for the creation and spread of AIDS more than any other group of people? San Francisco is obvoiusly a widely know gay city. 30 years ago someone (a gay person) contracted AIDS and spread it to others in SF. That's the big story, right? It was the most publicized city dealing with AIDS so stereotypical beliefs kick in and start believing that gays started/spread AIDS all over the world and are the only ones to blame.

Well, how about tracing it back to Africa where most believe it originated. Is Africa well known for gays? No. Also, nobody knows the true origin of AIDS so you can only pretend to be an expert on this.
 
Old 04-23-2009, 10:48 PM
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Bzzzt! Wrong again.

Rape -
1. the unlawful compelling of a woman through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse
1. any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person
"Forced" is the key. To simply say it's a sexual act doesn't do it justice. Of course rape and child sexual abuse includes sexual intercourse with sexual organs but we've deemed it to be so revolting that we simply prefer to make a distinction between it and any consensual sexual act.

If a young boy is molested then it's wrong to say he had sex with a man. For the molestor it's a sexual or homosexual act (partially, again though it's mostly about dominance) but for the molested it's a criminal sexual act. The distinction is needed to help shield the victims from making it appear any part of the abuse was consensual or that the abused is homosexual.

Again, none of this is about gay marriage and how you tie it back is beyond belief.
 
Old 04-23-2009, 10:49 PM
 
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It makes sense the origin is rooted in Africa as the Continent has by the the highest prevalence of HIV/AIDS infections in the world. Most are straight but that is not the point. It is a human disease like any other pandemic. Many people in history have died from viruses - a staggering 40 million were killed in only 2 years 1918-1920 from the Spanish Flu. They certainly were not all gay and it is foolish to use a virus as an argument against homosexuality.
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