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Old 04-24-2009, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Good luck enforcing it if many choose to exercise their rights. Can't jail everyone! The press will have a field day making the BATF look like Gestapo stormtroopers, and all will be well with Texans!
The Texas AG has to defend any prosecuted Texans in federal court according to the bill.

The legislature has already envisioned arrests, apparently.
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Old 04-24-2009, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I think these kind of comparisons are lame. Swimming pools aren't designed to kill, neither are cars (someone will point out the number of auto fatalities soon). There are inherent risks we take in the daily activities of life, such as swimming and driving, but that doesn't make it OK to add additional risk on top of that by having weapons around children.
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So the deaths of children aren't the problem at all???

Why do we need swimming pools,considering they kill so many children.

It seems you care little for the children.
Yes, and you didn't mention that liberals view the children as nothing even a day before they come out of their mother's womb. Ironic how songgirl keeps talking about saving the lives children who have been born, but likely vehemently defends the right of mothers to kill children before birth.

Songgirl, if you really cared about children (and I sincerely doubt you do because liberals do not), you would want adults to be able to carry guns to use to protect the children.
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Old 04-24-2009, 07:30 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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It should matter little if a tool or item was designed to kill or not....

What should matter is the number of deaths caused by that tool or item.

Swimming pools are totally unnecessary...there is absolutely NO need for a pool and yet children drown quite regularly in pools...

People that bring up dead children as a 'reason' for abandoning our Constitutional rights seem to be a little less than honest as to their beliefs.
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Old 04-24-2009, 01:04 PM
 
Location: MS
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I think these kind of comparisons are lame. Swimming pools aren't designed to kill, neither are cars (someone will point out the number of auto fatalities soon).
Neither are guns. Guns are designed to shoot a projectile as straight as possible in a repeatable manner. As oz mentioned above, it is just a tool in the hands of a person. People are killed all of the time by different tools like pneumatic nailers, chain saws, screw drivers, wrenches, wood chippers, etc. Before anyone brings up that these are accidental, tell that to the man with 34 nails in his head.

Shooting is a great sport. 3 gun competition, pistol competition, hunting (you don't always shoot something when you are out hunting, hence the name), etc. The army is even using sniper rifles to save lives. They are clearing Iraqi mine fields from a safe distance.

But the gun I carry for personal protection is loaded with the most lethal ammunition I can find. I'm looking at fragmentation and wound cavity size. I look at it like an insurance policy. I don't ever want to have to use it but if I do, it has to work and work well.

-Robert
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Old 04-24-2009, 02:02 PM
 
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Good luck enforcing it if many choose to exercise their rights. Can't jail everyone! The press will have a field day making the BATF look like Gestapo stormtroopers, and all will be well with Texans!
Do you think that BATF gives a rat's behind about what you or any other yahoo thinks? It certainly didn't deter the DEA from enforcing drug laws when California legalized the medical use of marijuana.

As for good luck, BATF nor the FBI require any assistance in enforcing Federal statutes.
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Old 04-24-2009, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Do you think that BATF gives a rat's behind about what you or any other yahoo thinks? It certainly didn't deter the DEA from enforcing drug laws when California legalized the medical use of marijuana.

As for good luck, BATF nor the FBI require any assistance in enforcing Federal statutes.
The 'good luck' comes from an overworked staff trying to arrest as many people as possible.

If it failed on the war on drugs, it most certainly will fail on the "war on guns". The BATF also has the unenviable task of dealing with public opinion, the majority of which are opposed to stricter gun laws. There are many, MANY more of us than there are of them.
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Old 04-24-2009, 02:22 PM
 
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Well, the Rule of Law means you have to obey even the laws you don't like, and neither Texas nor any other state can escape the jurisdiction of federal law in this case in that even guns that folks might imagine to be 100% of Texas manufacture have impacts on interstate commerce. End of story. Texas can pass all the laws it wants and can defend all the people who are arrested for ignoring the federal law. It won't make any difference...they will all be found guilty. States are pre-empted in matters of interstate commerce...
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Old 04-24-2009, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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I sincerely hope this showdown escalates and that people ignore those on CD and elsewhere giving empty warnings. If the people of Texas feel as adamantly about their state's gun rights usurping federal regulations, there will not be enough BATF drones to stop them. Plus, if a few get arrested, this might generate more press and encourage more sympathizers, the process feeding on itself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxQX9fYf2aI

Got popcorn?
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Old 04-24-2009, 02:38 PM
 
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Would you like to see less children killed period or killed just by guns? Are you as concerned by all the children who have died in swimming pools for example?
We require that small children ride in federally approved car seats and that larger ones use seatbelts and be protected by air bags. What do we do about guns?

We require that swimming pools be the subject of constant adult supervision and be behind secure child-proof barriers. What do we do about guns?

We require that children's furniture, clothing, and bedding be made of fire-retardant materials. What do we do about guns?

We require that medicines and other household toxins be sold and stored in child-proof containers. What do we do about guns?

In fact, we take steps to protect children from virtually every other threat in their likely environment except guns. We do NOTHING about guns. And that is because some people insist that guns be kept as absolutely and positively dangerous as possible -- to adults and children alike. Thirty thousand firearms-related deaths per year, and more than two hundred thousand injuries. Thanks a lot, guys...
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Old 04-24-2009, 02:46 PM
 
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Got popcorn?
Popcorn won't cover it. What you'll need is a visa to enter another country. The ideas of states' rights that get carried around by the reactionaries are all a holdover from the antebellum era. Talk about being out of touch with reality! Once the 14th Amendment was ratified, this became a very different country. People ought to try actually living here sometime...
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