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Originally Posted by riceharvester
Well then you should choose a side. The side shouldnt come to you.
No ... I believe a majority of Americans who identify themselves as democrat and republicans don't agree 100% with their party platforms and candidate positions. What we need are viable third party alternatives since this two party system is not serving the American people.
No ... I believe a majority of Americans who identify themselves as democrat and republicans don't agree 100% with their party platforms and candidate positions. What we need are viable third party alternatives since this two party system is not serving the American people.
The majority of Americans won't agree with any party on EVERY single issue unless there are about 50 different parties.
Location: The Chatterdome in La La Land, CaliFUNia
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Originally Posted by afoigrokerkok
You are basing EVERYTHING on abortion. Here are the abortion stances in case you'd like to know:
1) LW extremist - abortion should be permitted in all cases upon the woman's request...even the day before the child would otherwise be born. The fetus means nothing and abortion is a surgical procedure tantamount to a nose job.
2) Moderate liberal - abortion should be permitted until the 23rd/24th week with no further restrictions
3) Moderate - abortion should be permitted until the 23rd/24th week, parental consent should be required for minors, women should be required to view an ultrasound, a 24-72-hour waiting period should be required before abortion, and abortion should be discouraged (even though they feel it should be legal). Many moderates would feel abortion should be banned ideally, but are willing to support its continued legalization solely because otherwise they realize women may perform their own dangerous abortions or otherwise receive them in dangerous environments.
4) Moderate conservative - abortion should not be permitted except in the case of rape or medical necessity
5) RW extremist - abortion should not be permitted even if the woman's life is at risk, even if she was raped, etc. She is a slave to the fetus even if she had no say in its creation. It is part of a woman's duty to die to accomodate the fetus (even if the fetus would die as well). No one should use the pill or plan B because it could cause a risk to the fetus. No one should wear condoms, because "promiscuous" sex must be legislated and discouraged at all costs.
I never heard any conservative expouse this view. I think most, if not all, conservatives would go with option 4. I am extremely conservative but do think that abortion should be allowed at least if the woman's life is in jeopardy. If the woman dies then what chances would the baby have in surviving. Although I disagree with abortion after a rape, I don't want to force women to carry the child of their rapists if they choose not to. Abortion should be abolished in all other incidents.
I never heard any conservative expouse this view. I think most, if not all, conservatives would go with option 4. I am extremely conservative but do think that abortion should be allowed at least if the woman's life is in jeopardy. If the woman dies then what chances would the baby have in surviving. Although I disagree with abortion after a rape, I don't want to force women to carry the child of their rapists if they choose not to. Abortion should be abolished in all other incidents.
Our views on abortion are the exact same, yet there are some members of the extreme religious RW who go with #5. Jindal is a good example of a politician who could be put into #5.
Location: The Chatterdome in La La Land, CaliFUNia
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Originally Posted by mackinac81
So have you seen them brainwashing now? Have you seen their communist, godless lesson plans? Have you watched them in front of students extolling Marx? Because I'll tell you this: I subbed for two years in several different schools for several different teachers in my blue state. And not once did I see an attempt to manipulate children. They're about things like The French Revolution or Chemistry reactions. That's because most teachers care about educating children to think for themselves, not indoctrinating them toward a point of view. And assume that teachers spend their days manipulating and brainwashing children is the most insulting thing you can say to a teacher.
Perhaps I should ask why conservatives and GOP'ers do nothing but bitc...er...complain about teachers and public ed. But that's another thread.
Here's one reason why conservatives are fed up with public education. Note, the LA Times is a very liberal paper mind you.:
Location: The Chatterdome in La La Land, CaliFUNia
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Originally Posted by HubbleRules
Most people do have both liberal and conservative views - things are almost NEVER either all black or all white... there are ALWAYS shades of grey - even if some refuse to admit it...
Problem is - if you have liberal views - some on the right will label you a 'liberal' and/or 'socialist' - because these are the hate labels that Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Karl Rove, et al, have taught them to use...
This labelling used to work before at marginalizing people - but it surely does not work any longer...
Problem also that if you have conservative views, those on the left will label you a wingnut or fundy.
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Originally Posted by yikesamillion
The so-called religious right has been pushed into a corner by the left-wing circus that is running Washington D.C. and the national media.
In reality today's core values of the so-called religious right were once mainstream America. It used to be common sense and proper manners to not use drugs recreationally, to engage in sexuality after you took your wedding vows, to righfully shun abnormal lifestyles such as homosexuality, to not regard the unborn as an accident worthy of abortion, to take responsibility for your own actions without playing the blame game, to be able to afford things before you bought them, to be proud of being an American citizen, to be a legal immigrant that speaks proper English, to be willing to fight for your country, to not fear admitting your faith in God.
Those are beliefs of the so-called religious right, and there is not a single thing wrong with any of them. Society along the way has lost its morality, and we are dearly paying the price for it. The so-called religious right represents mainstream, common-sense family, moral values. To us the pro-homosexuality, pro-amnesty, abortion-on-demand, non-religious, socialist liberal minds of today are the radicals; and that is what the Democrats have become with their far-left agenda.
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